This isnt quite right. There is no air launch in RoE at all at the moment, and previously there was just air launch on the first 2 opening shells.
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This isnt quite right. There is no air launch in RoE at all at the moment, and previously there was just air launch on the first 2 opening shells.
There is 0 air launch in Wishes, its all conventional.
RoE just used air launch on the opening shells, nowhere else.
will_rogers
New Member
Not to stir the pot, wdw magic, but i believe you might be mistaken. I've seen a lot of the behind the scenes stuff of ROE, both in person and on TV, I"ve spoken with Mr. Dorsey, and the guy who hired him and co-produced the show. In fact, he was a mentor of mine while I did an inernship doing football entertaniment (bands, sports marketing people, etc). I would never stop hearing the stories about how the ALFs are so great and how Wishes was incorporating the same technology, just more advanced. I think i'm going to take the side of the creators, show techs, and the history channel specials on this issue.
That's all for now.
That's all for now.
clarkstallings
New Member
Steve is right! The only two air launch shells in ROE were the opening comet and first bursting shell. Now however, there are no air launch shells in ROE. Wishes does not use air launch technology either.
coastermaster83
Member
I believe that the shows at Disneyland and Hong Kong Disneyland use ALF if Im not mistaken but I could be wrong.
will_rogers
New Member
for the past few years the opening comet shot comes from one of the perimeter launches (the one near Rose & Crown) which someone already said was NOT ALFs. So which is it?
clarkstallings
New Member
The opening two pieces of pyro, the first comet and first shell prior to the inferno barge being damaged were air launched. After the damage, those opening cues became conventionally launced. That's all that I know. The current perimeter shots are all conventionally launched. I hope this clarifies everything. I might be wrong but I believe the first comet (when air launched, aka back in the day) actually was launched from the Canada pavillion in which case you would have had a piece of pyro brieifly flying over guests. This is highly unusual if it is in fact the case and I can see why Disney discontinued it. Don't hold me to that though, there maybe someone on this board who can confirm or deny this. But as of right now, there is NO air launch pyro being used regularly at Walt Disney World.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
The burn off is a smoke screen; they are disposing of the evidence of the guests that failed to complete their Mission Space rides in a living condition, allegedly.
davewasbaloo
New Member
:lol: ROTFLMAO
PhilharMagician
Well-Known Member
I believe Steve is absolutely correct. The ALF systems was initally built for Disneyland because of the extremely strict air pollution laws in California. There was a extremely large cost associated with the developement and building of the system. It was talked about to be put in other Disney parks, but has not as of yet. Wishes is definately not ALF and neither is Illuminations just look and the amount of smoke dispersed during launch and you can tell.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
:zipit:
In a matter of a couple of months, you go from thinking "they got rid of the barge" to a supposed insider with all the right information and sources. Yeah, you've got connections.
I'm not mistaken, but you of course can believe whatever you want.
RoE used 2 ALF shells, and Wishes uses none.You can also review this post. http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=682582&postcount=6
Boo52 work on Wishes every day, and you will note that he confirm wishes uses no ALF, and that RoE used 2 for the opening shots.
You can also see http://www.wdwmagic.com/illum_2000_the_show.htm where you will read from a Disney press release:
"The spectacular cosmic explosion which begins the show is made possible through the use of Disney's patented Air Launch Fireworks (ALF) technology."
Notice it only refers to the opening shells.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ALF system requires a different packaging technique than the normal shells. Since WDW builds their shells, switching over to the ALF method would possibly require a major re-tooling / retraining of their facilities and workers -- probably an expensive undertaking.I'm not mistaken, but you of course can believe whatever you want.
You can also review this post. http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=682582&postcount=6
Boo52 work on Wishes every day, and you will note that he confirm wishes uses no ALF, and that RoE used 2 for the opening shots.
You can also see http://www.wdwmagic.com/illum_2000_the_show.htm where you will read from a Disney press release:
"The spectacular cosmic explosion which begins the show is made possible through the use of Disney's patented Air Launch Fireworks (ALF) technology."
Notice it only refers to the opening shells.
Also, there's no *need* for ALF at WDW since it's primary function was environmental with a secondary value add of "over the crowd" shots that aren't really utilized at this time. For future productions, it may good to transition to ALF, but it's not really a necessity at this time.
coastermaster83
Member
As I said before I believe Hong Kong Disneyland is using the new ALF system just like disneyland. Also aren't most pyro techs trained on certain systems before they can get their pyro lic. ? I know I looked into this once before when I worked for a huge Church and they wanted to get some of us techs lic to do into fireworks but I cant remember all the spec.
WDW Monorail
Well-Known Member
The smoke comes from the fireworks themselves after they explode.
Not all of the launch tubes launch aerial devices. Some are reserved to dispense smoke.
The tubes that launch aerial shells are ALF. The "smoke" that you see exit the tube is actually compressed air that is chilled due to the pressure and condenses as it hits something.
will_rogers
New Member
Thanks for the explanations/clarifications. Thanks for the links to the other posts!