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PrinceCharming617

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Using a renewable system to replace fossil fuels for energy is never a waste. Besides for all you know it is a piece of property that couldn't support a place to park cars and therefore increasing the footprint should never outweigh solar energy. Do you have the perk test for the land the solar farm is sitting. What would they be able to put there in your opinion.

It is a waste because it isn't being used for energy and something else. In Legoland's case it is parking and shade.

In the real world people put it on their roofs, they don't say "I'm going to buy a plot of land and put solar panels."
 

Goofyernmost

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It is a waste because it isn't being used for energy and something else. In Legoland's case it is parking and shade.

In the real world people put it on their roofs, they don't say "I'm going to buy a plot of land and put solar panels."
It's an argument, albeit not a serious one. In the real world houses aren't big enough to carry the number of panels needed to supply two huge theme parks with electricity, plus you are assuming that there was any feasible use for that land. I'm not sure what you have against solar energy or the planet, but Disney has done very few things to support in recent years and using a portion of land that has no plans for use is one of the better plans they've come up with in resent memory. They didn't buy that land recently, they have owned it for about 50 years. Even if they did, it is a very worthwhile investment. They did it to save money and look to the future. Mostly to save money, but it is beneficial to all of us and might be something that is contagious.
 

PrinceCharming617

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Naplesgolfer

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It is a waste because it isn't being used for energy and something else. In Legoland's case it is parking and shade.

In the real world people put it on their roofs, they don't say "I'm going to buy a plot of land and put solar panels."
Oh come on, really. They have 40 square MILES of land, bought for peanuts 58 years ago. Much of this land is unsuitable and or allowed to be used for much. Kudo's to TWDC for putting these solar systems in.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
Oh come on, really. They have 40 square MILES of land, bought for peanuts 58 years ago. Much of this land is unsuitable and or allowed to be used for much. Kudo's to TWDC for putting these solar systems in.

And clear-cutting that habitat to not block the sun is a better option? I'd bulldoze the urban areas in the North east first.
 

ppete1975

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Pretty much a Neanderthal way of looking at things. What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. Use the wide range lens on your mental camera. It will kill the planet in relation to our life on it. No, what is ironic is how people will fight against any change that is done to help keep us alive and not breathing in poisons. Lack of oxygen due to pollution or sacrificing a few trees that can be regenerated elsewhere is not the same thing. Clear cutting to provide high cost housing for the rich is a waste of our oxygen supplying, replaceable plant life, but building something to help keep our carbon footprint smaller is not. Strip mining so you can watch your sports on TV is a waste of the planet. Using up a product that cannot be replaced is a short sighted thing to do. In this case "planet" means the people living on it. It is a given that earth will regenerate itself quickly once we foolish mortals are no longer messing it up because we will no longer exist.

I don't want this for myself, I'll be gone in just a few short years, but my children, grandchildren and future generations need to pull out of the 19th century before it is absolutely to late to do anything about it.
I think the earth is more important than the cancer that humans are. If you were watching planet earth from TV on another planet and you saw the extinction of almost every species including giant animals... you might have said oh no we should do something.... if you saw the mega mammals being wiped out... you might want to do something... if we destroy ourselves or nuke ourselves its our own fault. Planet earth will rebuild and keep on spinning. Think about this.. (its a few years old and we keep massively populating..) but about 10 years ago if you we had not slaughtered almost all of the bison... if you had killed all of them and fully dressed them (removed bones skin unedible parts) there would have been enough food for every man woman and child to have been given 80 pounds of meat in the united states..... think about that...
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
Unless you see 400 year old oaks and cypress trees coming out of that area it's already been cut
That would be a climax forest which really doesn't last long as being undisturbed is the only way it remains in homeostasis. Fires, storms, old age, and human intervention cause cyclical disturbances which favor different seres so it's an unending process, not a static state.
 

Goofyernmost

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I think the earth is more important than the cancer that humans are. If you were watching planet earth from TV on another planet and you saw the extinction of almost every species including giant animals... you might have said oh no we should do something.... if you saw the mega mammals being wiped out... you might want to do something... if we destroy ourselves or nuke ourselves its our own fault. Planet earth will rebuild and keep on spinning. Think about this.. (its a few years old and we keep massively populating..) but about 10 years ago if you we had not slaughtered almost all of the bison... if you had killed all of them and fully dressed them (removed bones skin unedible parts) there would have been enough food for every man woman and child to have been given 80 pounds of meat in the united states..... think about that...
What am I supposed to think about it? Native Americans used the Bison's for food, that vast slaughter was mostly for the hides. I'm just not sure of your point. I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts I just need more information to know what direction you are going. And, btw, even when I was a kid there were places that were attempting to protect them and since then the herds have been increasing. Trust me that was a long damn time ago.

Although the, as you put it, "cancer that all of us humans are" won't matter much when we, you included, are no longer here. If we want to survive we have to understand that we cannot just keep taking and not putting back. Tree's we can put back, solar panel encasements can be recycled, flammable Dinosaur juice we cannot.
 
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ppete1975

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It's an argument, albeit not a serious one. In the real world houses aren't big enough to carry the number of panels needed to supply two huge theme parks with electricity, plus you are assuming that there was any feasible use for that land. I'm not sure what you have against solar energy or the planet, but Disney has done very few things to support in recent years and using a portion of land that has no plans for use is one of the better plans they've come up with in resent memory. They didn't buy that land recently, they have owned it for about 50 years. Even if they did, it is a very worthwhile investment. They did it to save money and look to the future. Mostly to save money, but it is beneficial to all of us and might be something that is contagious.
they do have alot of showbuildings that if angled right nobody would ever see the panels. Now they havent been good at hiding anything in regards to show buildings in the last decade it seems, but it could be done. think about smallworld, or haunted mansion.. lots of roof space that if covered in solar the public would never know. Now that isnt going to be as much as an entire parking lot or solar farm, but could produce some power.
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ppete1975

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What am I supposed to think about it? Native Americans used the Bison's for food, that vast slaughter was mostly for the hides. I'm just not sure of your point. I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts I just need more information to know what direction you are going. And, btw, even when I was a kid there were places that were attempting to protect them and since then the herds have been increasing. Trust me that was a long damn time ago.

Although the, as you put it, "cancer that all of us humans are" won't matter much when we, you included, are no longer here. If we want to survive we have to understand that we cannot just keep taking and not putting back. Tree's we can put back, solar panel encasements can be recycled, flammable Dinosaur juice we cannot.
Native americans would have never exhausted the supply of bison. The men that decided to hunt them just for making native americans starve, hide prices, and sport.. (shot from trains just for fun). Almost made them extinct. My point was that we have always been a cancer on the earth and to counter your point that "What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. " which honestly I may have taken out of context. A healthy planet is going to be great for whatever species replaces us, and much more important than the blip that human history has been.

On a separate topic, electric cars. What happens to the batteries when they are no longer good? What happens to the cars when the batteries fail? Will it be cost effective to replace them or buy something new, or will the cars end up in landfills? Are we going in the direction of disposable cars.. which forget the landfills and leaching that would occur, building cars takes alot of power and materials (and power and materials to make the materials).
In 2040 will you still see a 2020 tesla? In 2020 we still have alot of 2000 models on the streets. We still have internal combustion vehicles that are 100 years old that can still run. Or will cars become like your cell phone and replaced every 5 years while yours is thrown away (or disputably recycled). And where does the electric that powers the electric car come from? Usually from power plants that arent purely solar, wind, or hydro.
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Goofyernmost

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they do have alot of showbuildings that if angled right nobody would ever see the panels. Now they havent been good at hiding anything in regards to show buildings in the last decade it seems, but it could be done. think about smallworld, or haunted mansion.. lots of roof space that if covered in solar the public would never know. Now that isnt going to be as much as an entire parking lot or solar farm, but could produce some power.
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Can you tell me where the panels are actually located. I've never seen them. I don't think they are right next to any of the parks to affect visibility. But I don't know. I am confused because either you or I am not understanding exactly what your point is. Yes, humans are or at least can be evil, however, unless you are a computer you are one of us. It is us, as people, that are going to be made extinct, not the planet. I'm pretty sure I have never killed any animal for any reason much less bison in order to starve the natives. That would be foolish anyway. They would have to kill every animal and even plant life to starve them out. I just don't know what that has to do with a solar panel farm and why you won't acknowledge that trees are either able to be moved or new ones planted without the loss of a single thing. So again what does your bison point have to do with the current problem of our consuming to many non-renewable products. I would think, by what you are saying, would want to celebrate that they are at least, for whatever their motivation, using a constant non-harmful system to overuse energy for a recreational park. And on top of that would like to see an eyesore like a parking garage to be built instead. It just makes no sense to me which is the reason why I am wondering what this particular conversation is all about.

Just as another point, I don't want to be made extinct to save oil companies and I really do not want our species to be replaced by anything. I want my descendents to be smarter than we are and create a better world as soon as all the braindead jacka$$es are off the planet.
 
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ppete1975

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Can you tell me where the panels are actually located. I've never seen them. I don't think they are right next to any of the parks to affect visibility. But I don't know. I am confused because either you or I am not understanding exactly what your point is. Yes, humans are or at least can be evil, however, unless you are a computer you are one of us. It is us, as people, that are going to be made extinct, not the planet. I'm pretty sure I have never killed any animal for any reason much less bison in order to starve the natives. That would be foolish anyway. They would have to kill every animal and even plant life to starve them out. I just don't know what that has to do with a solar panel farm and why you won't acknowledge that trees are either able to be moved or new ones planted without the loss of a single thing. So again what does your bison point have to do with the current problem of our consuming to many non-renewable products. I would think, by what you are saying, would want to celebrate that they are at least, for whatever their motivation, using a constant non-harmful system to overuse energy for a recreational park. And on top of that would like to see an eyesore like a parking garage to be built instead. It just makes no sense to me which is the reason why I am wondering what this particular conversation is all about.

Just as another point, I don't want to be made extinct to save oil companies and I really do not want our species to be replaced by anything. I want my descendents to be smarter than we are and create a better world as soon as all the braindead jacka$$es are off the planet.
The original discussion was brought off of this quote.
""What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. "

My entire point is if you had to pick one or the other i would say the planet is more important.. with or without humans. There is alot of value in the planet.. if humans wipe themselves out is not nearly as important. I felt that was a narrow point of view that im sure dinosaurs would have thought they were the best the planet would have (if they had our level of intelligence and awareness which they didnt), or the wooly mammoth and saber tooth tiger. The planet will prob be better off when we are no longer here.

I prob took your original comment out of context. And since we are totally off topic now, I am fine if we just go back to talking about disney and consider this an off topic conversation that went off the rails :)
 

Goofyernmost

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The original discussion was brought off of this quote.
""What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. "

My entire point is if you had to pick one or the other i would say the planet is more important.. with or without humans. There is alot of value in the planet.. if humans wipe themselves out is not nearly as important. I felt that was a narrow point of view that im sure dinosaurs would have thought they were the best the planet would have (if they had our level of intelligence and awareness which they didnt), or the wooly mammoth and saber tooth tiger. The planet will prob be better off when we are no longer here.

I prob took your original comment out of context. And since we are totally off topic now, I am fine if we just go back to talking about disney and consider this an off topic conversation that went off the rails :)
Sorry, I thought that everyone would assume that what I was saying was... What good is a healthy planet to us if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. Although we may not be the MOST important, I think we are up there on the chain. I don't think we should destroy the environment so some other form can use the place when we can survive and the planet can do well with just a little effort on our part.
 

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