Big honkin’ pile of dirt.

[JIMINYCR]

The Mousekeepers have to dump the dirt from their vacuums bags somewhere.

 

[Disstevefan1]

They are really good at starting projects at WDW, it's the finishing of projects they have a problem with; see GotG and the Moana dirt pile in EPCOT.

 

[Weather_Lady]

I clicked on this assuming it would be a review of a visit to EPCOT.

Now I don't know whether to be amused, or even further demoralized.

 

[danlb_2000]

They are adding more flat parking. I wish they would add a parking deck though like Disney Springs and Universal Orlando.

Parking garages are extremely expensive so they are built as a last resort, and since a lot of the perp done for a parking lot is good prep for a garage it makes sense to build the flat parking even if you plan to change in the future.

 

[Kamikaze]

Parking garages are extremely expensive so they are built as a last resort, and since a lot of the perp done for a parking lot is good prep for a garage it makes sense to build the flat parking even if you plan to change in the future.

Also doesn't make sense when you have plenty of space for surface level parking.

 

[PrinceCharming617]

I’d even be cool with them building a series of solar panel canopies to not only add juice to WDW, but also prevent our cars from frying in the central Florida sun.

Great idea, Legoland has it so it can't cost that much for solar panels. And it would provide them with more electricity for their parks and resorts.

Parking garages are extremely expensive so they are built as a last resort, and since a lot of the perp done for a parking lot is good prep for a garage it makes sense to build the flat parking even if you plan to change in the future.

I know it's expensive, but it would provide them with more buildable land. Most of the resorts they are building nowadays are towers. Because land is valuable.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

It’s the new Epcot Experience pavilion replacing the odyssey one

 

[Goofyernmost]

Great idea, Legoland has it so it can't cost that much for solar panels. And it would provide them with more electricity for their parks and resorts.

I know it's expensive, but it would provide them with more buildable land. Most of the resorts they are building nowadays are towers. Because land is valuable.

I believe someone thought of that already.

Twice the size of Disney’s Magic Kingdom, stretches over 270 acres, and can power two Disney theme parks? It’s Disney’s newest and largest solar farm.

 

[FettFan]

I believe someone thought of that already.
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Twice the size of Disney’s Magic Kingdom, stretches over 270 acres, and can power two Disney theme parks? It’s Disney’s newest and largest solar farm.

Yeah but at the expense of needlessly killing 270 acres worth of ecosystem.

DLP wins this round.

Disneyland Paris Embarks on One of the Largest Solar Canopy Energy Projects in Europe

Today is World Energy Day, and we have some big news that we’re excited to share! Disneyland Paris is proud to announce that it is building one of the largest solar canopy plants in all of Europe! Pictured below, the solar plant will be developed

disneyparks.disney.go.com

 

[Goofyernmost]

Yeah but at the expense of needlessly killing 270 acres worth of ecosystem.

DLP wins this round.

Disneyland Paris Embarks on One of the Largest Solar Canopy Energy Projects in Europe

Today is World Energy Day, and we have some big news that we’re excited to share! Disneyland Paris is proud to announce that it is building one of the largest solar canopy plants in all of Europe! Pictured below, the solar plant will be developed

disneyparks.disney.go.com

Fossil fuels are needlessly killing the planet. 270 acres vs. the planet... we all win!

 

[FettFan]

Fossil fuels are needlessly killing the planet.

Incorrect. They will change the planet, but they won’t kill it.

Earth is a pretty hardy little speck with a tendency to bounce back. Our planet survived Snowball Earth and Chicxulub…I don’t think a sudden influx of petrol-swilling hipsters are that big of a challenge.


That being said, surely you can spot the irony of claiming to be “green”….while clear-cutting massive tracts of extra greenery to achieve said “green” goals, yes?

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Incorrect. They will change the planet, but they won’t kill it.

Earth is a pretty hardy little speck with a tendency to bounce back. Our planet survived Snowball Earth and Chicxulub…I don’t think a sudden influx of petrol-swilling hipsters are that big of a challenge.


That being said, surely you can spot the irony of claiming to be “green”….while clear-cutting massive tracts of extra greenery to achieve said “green” goals, yes?

Bill Nye reminded us that Brain Power is the source of Energy will never Run out!

 

[Goofyernmost]

Incorrect. They will change the planet, but they won’t kill it.

Earth is a pretty hardy little speck with a tendency to bounce back. Our planet survived Snowball Earth and Chicxulub…I don’t think a sudden influx of petrol-swilling hipsters are that big of a challenge.


That being said, surely you can spot the irony of claiming to be “green”….while clear-cutting massive tracts of extra greenery to achieve said “green” goals, yes?

Pretty much a Neanderthal way of looking at things. What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. Use the wide range lens on your mental camera. It will kill the planet in relation to our life on it. No, what is ironic is how people will fight against any change that is done to help keep us alive and not breathing in poisons. Lack of oxygen due to pollution or sacrificing a few trees that can be regenerated elsewhere is not the same thing. Clear cutting to provide high cost housing for the rich is a waste of our oxygen supplying, replaceable plant life, but building something to help keep our carbon footprint smaller is not. Strip mining so you can watch your sports on TV is a waste of the planet. Using up a product that cannot be replaced is a short sighted thing to do. In this case "planet" means the people living on it. It is a given that earth will regenerate itself quickly once we foolish mortals are no longer messing it up because we will no longer exist.

I don't want this for myself, I'll be gone in just a few short years, but my children, grandchildren and future generations need to pull out of the 19th century before it is absolutely to late to do anything about it.

 

[FettFan]

Pretty much a Neanderthal way of looking at things. What good is a healthy planet if it becomes uninhabitable by humans. Use the wide range lens on your mental camera. It will kill the planet in relation to our life on it. No, what is ironic is how people will fight against any change that is done to help keep us alive and not breathing in poisons. Lack of oxygen due to pollution or sacrificing a few trees that can be regenerated elsewhere is not the same thing. Clear cutting to provide high cost housing for the rich is a waste of our oxygen supplying, replaceable plant life, but building something to help keep our carbon footprint smaller is not. Strip mining so you can watch your sports on TV is a waste of the planet. Using up a product that cannot be replaced is a short sighted thing to do. In this case "planet" means the people living on it. It is a given that earth will regenerate itself quickly once we foolish mortals are no longer messing it up because we will no longer exist.

I don't want this for myself, I'll be gone in just a few short years, but my children, grandchildren and future generations need to pull out of the 19th century before it is absolutely to late to do anything about it.

We’re in agreement about mining for metals to build new televisions….how about increased mining for cobalt, aluminum, and copper to build acres upon acres of solar panels to run an amusement park?

Equally damaging, but also more insidious, as it’s done under the guise of “environmentalism”.

Report: Going 100% renewable power means a lot of dirty mining

Where does all that copper, silver, and aluminum come from?

grist.org

And even more insidious in that the market has now created a demand for “cheap labor”.

Green Energy’s Dirty Side Effects

The global transition to renewables could lead to human rights abuses and risks exacerbating inequalities between the West and the developing world.

foreignpolicy.com

(No wonder Disney changed the name of Boba Fett’s starship! First World Guilt!)

As for housing….we are in agreement there, but as someone who lives in what used to be rural countryside, I think I’m a bit more extreme than you are.
It’s not housing for “the rich” that is the issue, because rich people can afford professional gardeners, shade trees and extra acreage.

It’s the bloody middle class that’s the issue. Like flies upon a garbage heap, they swarm to shake-n-bake subdivisions full of tiny houses that look the exact gd same, where there is so little space that they park on the street, where one kitchen fire could theoretically take out half a block because they’re packed so tightly together that you can’t walk two-abreast without rubbing shoulders on vinyl siding.

 

[Goofyernmost]

We’re in agreement about mining for metals to build new televisions….how about increased mining for cobalt, aluminum, and copper to build acres upon acres of solar panels to run an amusement park?

Equally damaging, but also more insidious, as it’s done under the guise of “environmentalism”.

Report: Going 100% renewable power means a lot of dirty mining

Where does all that copper, silver, and aluminum come from?

grist.org

And even more insidious in that the market has now created a demand for “cheap labor”.

Green Energy’s Dirty Side Effects

The global transition to renewables could lead to human rights abuses and risks exacerbating inequalities between the West and the developing world.

foreignpolicy.com

(No wonder Disney changed the name of Boba Fett’s starship! First World Guilt!)

As for housing….we are in agreement there, but as someone who lives in what used to be rural countryside, I think I’m a bit more extreme than you are.
It’s not housing for “the rich” that is the issue, because rich people can afford professional gardeners, shade trees and extra acreage.

It’s the bloody middle class that’s the issue. Like flies upon a garbage heap, they swarm to shake-n-bake subdivisions full of tiny houses that look the exact gd same, where there is so little space that they park on the street, where one kitchen fire could theoretically take out half a block because they’re packed so tightly together that you can’t walk two-abreast without rubbing shoulders on vinyl siding.

Amazing! Because we don't have the ability to fix everything in one swoop, you feel that not doing anything is better then at least helping the situation. Typical, I guess. The resource I was referring to when I said "so you could watch your sports on TV" was electricity. You would rather see large strips of our planet dug up for coal fired power plants then have used a small portion of land for clean, continuous and not harmful to anyone systems. The way we stop that destruction of the people of this planet is to find, develop and use as much clean energy as we can. If you decide to close your eyes to the fact that we need to reverse that trend sooner than later, than that is sad. However, those of us that care and still want a certain lifestyle are going to push to find and use alternative methods wherever possible. It will not happen overnight, but if we don't start and we don't find a way to compromise our choices only bad things are going to happen. So you live your life in denial, if you insist, just don't stand in the way of better ideas because of that opinion.

The difference between mining for the materials to build the panels is the those resources are still there and when there useful life is done those material can be recycled without causing more damage to environment. The coal used to create electricity or the natural gas used to do the same, is gone once it is burnt up for the energy it creates. The gas pollutes (less than coal) but when it is gone there is no way to artificially create it with the same power. Using solar created electricity to power a place that is really just for fun and games instead of using up earths resources is far better than any other place to use it. For now!

 

[FettFan]

Amazing! Because we don't have the ability to fix everything in one swoop, you feel that not doing anything is better then at least helping the situation. Typical, I guess. The resource I was referring to when I said "so you could watch your sports on TV" was electricity. You would rather see large strips of our planet dug up for coal fired power plants then have used a small portion of land for clean, continuous and not harmful to anyone systems. The way we stop that destruction of the people of this planet is to find, develop and use as much clean energy as we can. If you decide to close your eyes to the fact that we need to reverse that trend sooner than later, than that is sad. However, those of us that care and still want a certain lifestyle are going to push to find and use alternative methods wherever possible. It will not happen overnight, but if we don't start and we don't find a way to compromise our choices only bad things are going to happen. So you live your life in denial, if you insist, just don't stand in the way of better ideas because of that opinion.

The difference between mining for the materials to build the panels is the those resources are still there and when there useful life is done those material can be recycled without causing more damage to environment. The coal used to create electricity or the natural gas used to do the same, is gone once it is burnt up for the energy it creates. The gas pollutes (less than coal) but when it is gone there is no way to artificially create it with the same power. Using solar created electricity to power a place that is really just for fun and games instead of using up earths resources is far better than any other place to use it. For now!

Ah. Electricity had not particularly occurred to me as
1. I trend to being as minimal as possible in my usage

2. I live in southeastern Louisiana, where the majority of our electricity comes from nuclear, with one station southwest of New Orleans and a second north of Baton Rouge.
I’m still surprised we haven’t turned one of the Mississippi River spillways into a hydroelectric dam, as that would both generate electricity, as well fight the coastal erosion problem.
(But that’s what happens when the federal government/Army Corps of Engineers claims dominion over your greatest asset)


At any rate, you and I agree that using solar to power a family fun resort is a good move, our only disagreement is in the placement.
Aside from a marketing department’s desire to slap another Mickey logo on property a d beat their chest for the news cameras, there’s really zero advantage to placing it where they did, compared to building solar canopies over the existing parking lots.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Ah. Electricity had not particularly occurred to me as
1. I trend to being as minimal as possible in my usage

2. I live in southeastern Louisiana, where the majority of our electricity comes from nuclear, with one station southwest of New Orleans and a second north of Baton Rouge.
I’m still surprised we haven’t turned one of the Mississippi River spillways into a hydroelectric dam, as that would both generate electricity, as well fight the coastal erosion problem.
(But that’s what happens when the federal government/Army Corps of Engineers claims dominion over your greatest asset)


At any rate, you and I agree that using solar to power a family fun resort is a good move, our only disagreement is in the placement.
Aside from a marketing department’s desire to slap another Mickey logo on property a d beat their chest for the news cameras, there’s really zero advantage to placing it where they did, compared to building solar canopies over the existing parking lots.

You are correct. It is short sighted and unimaginative to not use existing developed space i.e. parking lots and the tops of parking garages and the roofs of sooo many commercial buildings to place solar panels rather than destroy green spaces.

 

[FettFan]

You are correct. It is short sighted and unimaginative to not use existing developed space i.e. parking lots and the tops of parking garages and the roofs of sooo many commercial buildings to place solar panels rather than destroy green spaces.

Especially the Galactic Starcruiser hotel, since it’s essentially a concrete box that nobody can see from the inside.
It would be ideal to use solar panels to generate power, at least for its led screen “space windows”.

 

[PrinceCharming617]

I believe someone thought of that already.
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Twice the size of Disney’s Magic Kingdom, stretches over 270 acres, and can power two Disney theme parks? It’s Disney’s newest and largest solar farm.

That's different, it is wasting valuable land. If they used it just for parking lots and parking garages it would serve two purposes.

 

[Goofyernmost]

That's different, it is wasting valuable land. If they used it just for parking lots and parking garages it would serve two purposes.

Using a renewable system to replace fossil fuels for energy is never a waste. Besides for all you know it is a piece of property that couldn't support a place to park cars and therefore increasing the footprint should never outweigh solar energy. Do you have the perk test for the land the solar farm is sitting. What would they be able to put there in your opinion.