Matt_Black
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... I'm continually amazed at how I am unable to get a simple yes or no response to a simple yes or no question.
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... I'm continually amazed at how I am unable to get a simple yes or no response to a simple yes or no question.
FigmentForver96
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Let me put it this way...I would IF and I mean IF they could bring something to the caliber of WRE.
I read all these comments and it's just like people squabbling about the arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic as she's going down.
Epcot is dying and as much as it pains me to say there is a reason why the original cherished attractions either were replaced or are floundering, they couldn't cut it with today's guest. Fix the park make it attractive to people who aren't just looking for food, booze, and shopping.
Epcot is dying and as much as it pains me to say there is a reason why the original cherished attractions either were replaced or are floundering, they couldn't cut it with today's guest. Fix the park make it attractive to people who aren't just looking for food, booze, and shopping.
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Chris82
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Yeah, we should definitely get back on topic with this thread, which, as I understand it, is arguing about Bill Nye and Monsanto
RSoxNo1
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I'm ok with meet and greets in World Showcase, but when the characters infiltrate the rides it's that much more jarring. If I was in charge, I would allow character meet and greets in their "appropriate" pavilion, but I would also move characters into Innoventions as well. Characters need to be in Epcot in some capacity, but I hate that they're integrated in with many attractions.
FigmentForver96
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The rides floundered because they were old and needed updating...not dumbed down. All of the replacements for most of the rides were cheaper alternatives that wouldn't need as much updating and upkeep as before. Some of the rides turned out rather well like Energy...others like Horizon....turned out with a cool concept that was dumbed down to a ride that gets most people sick.
Rides like World of Motion, Spaceship Earth, and Horizons could have been just fine if they were updated properly, and could have still left people breathless at the wonders and scientific research of man.
Following this formula you have now narrowed the Epcot's target demo to middle aged men. The only reason why you see children, and women, or younger adults on SSE or UOE is because it's a break from the heat or the rain.
The attractions you mentioned that are still around are dinosaurs in the world of theme parks. I'm all for having smart engaging attractions that fit in with the Epcot idea, but you can't do that with what is there.
An omnimover or a slow moving theater no matter how it is updated is not conducive to getting people in the door.
PorterRedkey
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I 100% disagree. With your line of thinking, Haunted Mansion, Horizons and Pirates would have never been built.
Just though I add ... attractive to people who aren't just looking (to pay a $100 entrance fee to pay for over priced) food, booze, and shopping.
Indeed. The IP or theme is the first thing that does that. As does the exterior appearance.
The ride system can be integral to the story, a nice surprise, the icing on the cake, or a reason to return. Or sometimes just what's most suited to achieve the desired capacity.
And that's the best Disney can come up with? (Rhetorically of course). They should take a ride up I-4 one day.
Far be it for me to agree...
Disone
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Disagree. Segregating would be building WS with only adult minds in mind. And while growing the slowly, your Vision of Epcot and Disney's Vision are just different.
lazyboy97o
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Except nobody is saying build only for adults, but there is lots of support for experiences only aimed at little kids. That is segregating.
Disney doesn't have a vision for any of their parks. Epcot might as well be DisneyPark Florida 2. The only plan is to toss in franchises, the same plan for every other Disney-controlled park.
Disone
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yeah, its easy to arm chair quarterback multibillion dollar theme park assest, but the fact remains Disney's completely lack of vision and mis management has resulted in the most successful theme parks world wide. Tongue and cheek aside, I am not looking at Disney through rose colored glasses, but of all the battles to fight, Kidcot stations???? Really come on man! WS doesn't need to get rid of any of its family elements, but it does need, sorely need, a new nation or three. I will settle for one.
doctornick
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My kids (who were 4 and 6 at the time) had an absolute blast going around the WS last year collecting passport stamps. At each of the locations, we tried to learn a new word in the native tongue (mostly "thank you") and talk a little about the countries. When we got home, they took out their fan with all the stamps and we went over on a world map showing them all the countries they "visited". My oldest is fascinated with maps so it was a real treat.
I'm not opposed to characters in Epcot at some are, but I think the reverse of pretending that they are "needed" to entertain young children or that Epcot is de facto boring to young kids is IMHO total bunk. We take my kids to art and science museums all the time too; I think it's really the parents and how they present things that make it such that their kids are "bored" with anything educational.
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doctornick
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Others disagree, but IMHO DAK and DHS need the help far more urgently than Epcot. Frozen Ever After and the new Soarin' -- and hopefully some smaller stuff to fill the empty space in Innoventions -- will help to keep the park somewhat "fresh" until the big changes come. Epcot still has a lot there to captivate and entertain even if the theme has become more dilated. DAK and DHS really need more "stuff" to justify their admission cost.
FigmentForver96
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Learning can be fun, it's true because Epcot Center was built with that idea in mind. People, including children, were left in awe and wonder by the technological advancements that Epcot Center brought. Energy, Health, Transportation, Space, Land, Imagination and Communication can be brought in a fun way where people learn and have fun at the same time. Epcot Center must have been good in its hey day because it is those kids that have returned with their children.
There is no denying that it is harder to stay up to date with technology, and I don't expect Disney to keep Epcot right on foot, but some of the stuff is still left in the 90s! Yes it would cost money to keep things fresh but would it not be worth it? Rather then every Disney park being a different way to introduce characters.
Anyway not sure where that all came from...but yea