Big Brother 22 “All Stars 2” - Discussion and Speculation Thread

[flynnibus]

That’s pretty much how it will be be. But Cody isn’t taking Enzo. He’s taking Nicole. Enzo will go at 3rd, just like last time.

You think because of the 'don't pick the previous winner' angle? I think he'll closer have to think about who likes who... as much as Enzo seems to not ruffle feathers, at least in the show it doesn't seem like people get close to him personally?

 

[Brer Oswald]

You think because of the 'don't pick the previous winner' angle? I think he'll closer have to think about who likes who... as much as Enzo seems to not ruffle feathers, at least in the show it doesn't seem like people get close to him personally?

No. They have a pregame allegiance. They are the core. The tightest pair. Cody has shown in his actions and his words that it’s Nicole above everyone else. And it makes sense. They’re both friends outside of the house, and they’re both friends with Derrick.

As for the votes, Enzo, Memphis, Christmas, Tyler, Da’Vonne, And David are all going to vote for him over her. Ian doesn’t want a two time winner, regardless of their friendship. Same thing with Dani. Her ego isn’t going to let her vote Nicole over Cody. The only one who won’t vote for him is Kevin. It’s going to be 8-1.

 

[flynnibus]

as much as all these players keep pre-negotiating their votes in the house... I expect the jury house to fully negotiate all their votes too!

All these pre-game relationships and the jury cooperating with each other things hurt the game IMO.

 

[Brer Oswald]

as much as all these players keep pre-negotiating their votes in the house... I expect the jury house to fully negotiate all their votes too!

All these pre-game relationships and the jury cooperating with each other things hurt the game IMO.

Yep. If it’s true that there are certain deals to split the profits, which would make sense considering how several individuals have designated certain people “off limits” until a specific placing, then I fear that will compromise the results.

For instance, a Cody and Nicole Final 2 would likely lead to a Cody victory because he won more comps. To the pre-gamers in Jury, the result for them is the same. However, an Enzo and Nicole Final 2 has me more worried. Enzo played a better game, but was he a part of the negotiations in June/July? Will the Committee (minus Christmas) vote for Nicole simply because they have dollar signs in their eyes? Will the first two time winner be a person that was carried to the end both times?

 

[artvandelay]

Yep. If it’s true that there are certain deals to split the profits, which would make sense considering how several individuals have designated certain people “off limits” until a specific placing, then I fear that will compromise the results.

For instance, a Cody and Nicole Final 2 would likely lead to a Cody victory because he won more comps. To the pre-gamers in Jury, the result for them is the same. However, an Enzo and Nicole Final 2 has me more worried. Enzo played a better game, but was he a part of the negotiations in June/July? Will the Committee (minus Christmas) vote for Nicole simply because they have dollar signs in their eyes? Will the first two time winner be a person that was carried to the end both times?

Wasn’t there prize money splits in the first All Stars? Dr Will and Boogie had a deal to split the winnings and openly talked about it on the feeds.

Pre game alliances should crumble if the other side wins an HOH. The only committee member to win HOH was Enzo, and he was the 7th member of the committee. If Janelle, Kaysar, or Davonne wins those close comps, the committee would of fallen apart.

Its sad that we have to hope for Christmas to win HOH or the veto to shake things up. Enzo keeps saying he wants to win this HOH, but he shouldn’t. Cody would expect him to put Memphis up and he doesn’t want to do that. Also, if Enzo wins this HOH he can’t compete in the final 4 HOH.

 

[flynnibus]

I can't imagine the show runners would allow negotiated splits anymore... that's gotta be in contracts to prohibit collusion in that regard.

 

[artvandelay]

I can't imagine the show runners would allow negotiated splits anymore... that's gotta be in contracts to prohibit collusion in that regard.

I think it is in their contracts. If I remember correctly, Will was saying the way around it is Boogie would hire Will as a consultant for his restaurant and pay him a fee. That season was unique. The jury also broke out of the jury house and went to a karaoke bar. You don’t see players like that in Big Brother anymore. They’re afraid to off the producers and not get asked back for another season.

 

[Brer Oswald]

A few things. Will and Boogie did split money. Will thought he would never make it far into All Stars, which is why he wanted to bring Boogie, basically as his “second life”. He ended up getting much further than he thought.

They did make deals with Janelle And Howie to split the “banana bread” while on the show. Not sure if they did afterwards, but it’s certainly possible.

The difference between this season and All Stars is that, here, we have a pregame alliance of around 6 that refuses to deviate from the plan. Cody wouldn’t turn on any of the members until the end, while Will would turn on them as soon as he got the opportunity. That’s just better gameplay.

Here, you also had two outside players forming the alliance. Cody isn’t smart like Will. He isn’t going to make big moves because Derrick isn’t there to tell him what to do.

Also, I don’t believe the Pregame Alliance would’ve crumbled had Janelle And Kaysar won HOH...unless Cody went home. If Nicole, Dani, or Tyler went home, it would’ve only delayed the inevitable. This alliance can’t think for themselves because Dan and Derrick set up the plan, but they aren’t there to make any changes.

 

[manmythlegend]

That’s pretty much how it will be be. But Cody isn’t taking Enzo. He’s taking Nicole. Enzo will go at 3rd, just like last time.

But, if Nicole miraculously wins the final HOH, does she take Cody or Enzo?

 

[Brer Oswald]

But, if Nicole miraculously wins the final HOH, does she take Cody or Enzo?

If she’s smart, Enzo. It’s Nicole though. She will take Cody. If she somehow wins anyways.

 

[artvandelay]

Did Dan and Derrick put Cody, Nicole and Memphis together and instruct them on bringing in three more comp beasts or was the whole committee alliance fully formed with all the players?

 

[Brer Oswald]

Did Dan and Derrick put Cody, Nicole and Memphis together and instruct them on bringing in three more comp beasts or was the whole committee alliance fully formed with all the players?

Cody and Memphis for sure. Dan and Derrick were supposed to be on this season. When they dropped around June, Cody was cast, and Memphis became an alternate. So idk if it was supposed to be their alliance initially, or if it was always an alliance they made for Cody.

Dani was in on it. Nicole was in on it. I’m unsure where Tyler and Enzo fall. One, if not both, were in it Pregame. Christmas wasn’t pregame. Janelle, Bayleigh, and Nicole A were all on the hitlist.

Dan and Janelle were friends. He called her to see if she was on. He did it to put her on the boot list. So when she got out, words were exchanged, and Dan became pretty regretful for taking part in the Pregame ordeal.

 

[artvandelay]

Cody and Memphis for sure. Dan and Derrick were supposed to be on this season. When they dropped around June, Cody was cast, and Memphis became an alternate. So idk if it was supposed to be their alliance initially, or if it was always an alliance they made for Cody.

Dani was in on it. Nicole was in on it. I’m unsure where Tyler and Enzo fall. One, if not both, were in it Pregame. Christmas wasn’t pregame. Janelle, Bayleigh, and Nicole A were all on the hitlist.

Dan and Janelle were friends. He called her to see if she was on. He did it to put her on the boot list. So when she got out, words were exchanged, and Dan became pretty regretful for taking part in the Pregame ordeal.

I’d heard that Tyler, Kaycee, Christmas and Josh had a pregame deal. Kaycee and Josh knew each other from the Challenge and brought in Tyler and Christmas. When the house guests entered night one Tyler and Christmas found they were alone and formed their final two.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I’d heard that Tyler, Kaycee, Christmas and Josh had a pregame deal. Kaycee and Josh knew each other from the Challenge and brought in Tyler and Christmas. When the house guests entered night one Tyler and Christmas found they were alone and formed their final two.

That seems likely.

 

[Little Green Men]

They’re not allowed to split money but that doesn’t mean they don’t do it anyway post season. Dick split his winnings with Dani too

 

[BrianLo]

Ultimately the game of Big Brother is broken. I know people hate the survivor blindside/whispering that is new school survivor. But seriously, this is the polar opposite. The whole season might as well have been scripted (and in some ways was from the start).

The first HoH holds too much power. Merely looking back whoever is first HoH traditionally is making it to the final two (or winning) the last few seasons. Tyler experienced that two seasons ago. When you have the first power, you can basically make a final two deal with every house guest and take out two random floaters.

We've had the Veto used once this season, which just seems odd. Maybe in part it was the over-abundance of Tyler being picked constantly.

Maybe moving forward they can have two Hoh's every week or something. But something needs to fundamentally change .



As an aside I do think Cody deserves to win. I don't like this season at all, but he's played a really solid game. Yes the Derrick pregaming helped... but he's in this position because he won that first HOH.

 

[manmythlegend]

Ultimately the game of Big Brother is broken. I know people hate the survivor blindside/whispering that is new school survivor. But seriously, this is the polar opposite. The whole season might as well have been scripted (and in some ways was from the start).

The first HoH holds too much power. Merely looking back whoever is first HoH traditionally is making it to the final two (or winning) the last few seasons. Tyler experienced that two seasons ago. When you have the first power, you can basically make a final two deal with every house guest and take out two random floaters.

We've had the Veto used once this season, which just seems odd. Maybe in part it was the over-abundance of Tyler being picked constantly.

Maybe moving forward they can have two Hoh's every week or something. But something needs to fundamentally change .



As an aside I do think Cody deserves to win. I don't like this season at all, but he's played a really solid game. Yes the Derrick pregaming helped... but he's in this position because he won that first HOH.

There needs to be more twists in order to spice up the game. Pandora's Box was missing from this season. America should be able to award someone a mystery power at least once during a season.

You may need to start offering incentives to veto holders to get them to use it. $5,000 or something substantial.

I wouldn't mind seeing a new rule that prohibits the HOH from participating in the Veto comp. It's sooooooo boring to see HOH also win Veto.

 

[BrianLo]

Well...

Spoiler

Nicole won... which is like both surprising and somehow just "of course" all at the sametime. Makes Cody's path to the end even easier. I thought it would be Enzo to do the dirty work though.

My worst nightmare for this season was a final two Memphis/Christmas, so I guess I'm happy?

 

[Little Green Men]

Yep awful but expected

 

[Brer Oswald]

Well...

Spoiler

Nicole won... which is like both surprising and somehow just "of course" all at the sametime. Makes Cody's path to the end even easier. I thought it would be Enzo to do the dirty work though.

My worst nightmare for this season was a final two Memphis/Christmas, so I guess I'm happy?

The worst nightmare is a Christmas/Nicole Final 2, because you either have one of the worst winners of all time being the only to win twice, or a new worse winner (and yes, I would rather take a Christmas win and forget about it than deal with Princess Tuggy claiming she’s the best player to ever play the game).