Best Ride Ever made that would even top Walt's rides

FutureCEO

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Original Poster
Western River Expedition

Yes. I think this is and still could be if it was made. I know that I'm going to be hounded for this but after reading all these nine chapters of a would have been ride, the Pirates of the Carribean shouldn't be at WDW.

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/legacy/index.htm?../articles/archive.0003-1.1.htm~contentFrame

Western River Expedition. Marc Davis mammouth of a project, tops Walt Disney on this one and Roy was his biggest backer to get this built for WDW Magic Kingdom until his died. And guess what, a scene of the ride was in World of Motion. And Tony Baxter too.
 

tinkerbell2

New Member
Okay, first of all I really like Pirates of the Carribean and I am glad that it is at WDW. As for a ride that would be better than it- sure I wish it would have happened. But I get more upset about rides that actually exsisted and then were taken away, like Mr Toad's Wild Ride.
 

Frank4669

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"Bush makes Clinton look like a GOD
Hillary for president
Disney Rocks! I want to stay there all year long skipping from hotel to hotel."


You've got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

SirNim

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:lol:

I would have loved being able to see this huge giant mesa rising out of Frontierland. Popular demand for POTC and lack of financial freedom and the green-light to go ahead contributed to the downfall of this attraction.

But as they say, good ideas never go away, and I'm glad all these subtle little references to Davis' labor of love have appeared in Disney attractions around the world..:D
 

Gregory

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Originally posted by SirNimajneb
:lol:

I would have loved being able to see this huge giant mesa rising out of Frontierland. Popular demand for POTC and lack of financial freedom and the green-light to go ahead contributed to the downfall of this attraction.

But as they say, good ideas never go away, and I'm glad all these subtle little references to Davis' labor of love have appeared in Disney attractions around the world..:D


I just finished reading it... it seems cool, but we have pretty much everything that was supposed to be there... just in bits and peices...

I just don't know if I would have liked a huge mesa prodding from the Frontierland skyland. Maybe its just change, but while the ride looks cool, I'm glad they didn't build the massive building...

Well, I love Jim Hill stuff... its extreamly interesting... how does he know this stuff????? :) (BTW- one thing that bugged me was his use of "kids" and "kiddies so frequently" :))

Well, thanks for the link!
 

J. Thornhill

New Member
I must say that when I read this article many moons ago, I was fascinated. I think WRE would have been WDW's crown jewel. More and more, Frontierland is becoming my favorite section of the park, and I would have loved to see this attraction built as part of it. The details that Jim Hill describes sound absolutely amazing.

Unfortunately, it will never be built. I cannot imagine that a budget that large would ever be approved for something that would at best, have limited appeal to contemporary park-goers.

As wonderfully nostalgic as this attraction sounds to us, most people simply wouldn't understand the beauty of it's complexity and detail. All is not lost though. I think Disney still has the opportunity to put that much detail into a thrill ride. We'll see what happens with Expedition Everest.
 

Wilt Dasney

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Read the whole thing; it sounds like a great idea, to be sure, but I don't see it as the "be-all, end-all" of theme park rides like Jim makes it out to be. Meh, maybe it's because I'm picturing putting it in a park that already has Big Thunder and Splash in place, but it sounds like a good attraction among many others, not the preeminent member of the group.

As for Pirates--it's hard to say it doesn't belong there when so much popular demand brought it in the first place. It's one of those rides everyone associates with WDW (and DL), and it's hard for me to imagine it not being there.

And as for Jim's details...he talks about a lot of face-to-face encounters, board meetings, and other "closed door" goings-on as if he were there, with plenty of in-depth personal info. Part of that comes from trying to tell a story well, but I would have to wonder about some of the specifics of the scenes he paints. They just seem a little too detailed to me, kinda like the stuff you read in unauthorized presidential bios and the like.
 

Luke1984

New Member
They should put Western River Exibtion in one of the overseas parks. I can't remember which park but doesn't the China or Hong Kong one have alot of leftover space? It makes sense to me. Pretty much all of us wouldn't be able to afford the trip to actually go ride it though. :(
 

Gregory

New Member
Originally posted by Luke1984
They should put Western River Exibtion in one of the overseas parks. I can't remember which park but doesn't the China or Hong Kong one have alot of leftover space? It makes sense to me. Pretty much all of us wouldn't be able to afford the trip to actually go ride it though. :(

Don't forget, also, that WDW has only used about 1/4 of their land (7,000 out of 30,000 acres, if I remember correctly)

Also, if anyones looking for a pic of Hoot....

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General Grizz

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Wow...that Western River Ride sounded really cool! Oh well. It looks like the whole show may be out in tributes in many years from now! :D LOVE the Land and WoM references...VERY cool...but especially...

AMERICA SINGS! GREAT GREAT article!! :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:
 

Glasgow

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That is a long and very informative article! It certainly kept me reading to the end (well, almost). It would've been cool to see WRE, but man, that Davis guy sounded like a real crybaby. Yes, I'm sure it is very difficult to not have your hard work and dreams become reality, but cmon, it really didn't seem like the Baxter was out to spoil his project. Suck it up man. Jim, what's with all the 'kids' references? That's right kids!

Long live Pirates!!
 

MicBat

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Originally posted by Frank4669
"Bush makes Clinton look like a GOD
Hillary for president
Disney Rocks! I want to stay there all year long skipping from hotel to hotel."


You've got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok... and what does this have to do with the topic on hand??? :rolleyes:

I read all about this "Western River Expedition" in an interview with one of the imagineers or something a while back. Seems like it would have been pretty interesting, but I'm glad that we got PotC.
 

General Grizz

New Member
Originally posted by Glasgow
Davis guy sounded like a real crybaby.

Hey, this was one of his personal dreams. And based on all that he did, I think he deserved to build it - and in tribute, I think that it should be built in honor! Here's a little info on Marc Davis, one of the most accomplished Imagineers of all time:

This man is QUITE responsible (in most cases, the chief Imagineer) for the following attractions:

The Jungle Cruise
The Haunted Mansion
Enchanted Tiki Room
Nature's Wonderland
The Mine Train Ride
The Country Bear Jamboree
Carousel of Progress
Magic Skyway
Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln
Adventures through Inner Space
Pirates of the Caribbean
Submarine Voyage
It's a Small World
America Sings
World of Motion

Western River Ride (never completed)
The Snow Palace (never completed)
Natures Wonderland (never completed)

And he didn't just 'work' on these. NONE of these attractions would be nearly as wonderful as they are today - if even existing if it weren't for Davis.

But it's not only the attractions. For example, Cruella and Maleficent have become the two most collected and popular characters in Disney history. Who designed them? Davis.

(From http://www.marcdavis.com/mdcs/featurefilms.asp )
Working on Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs (1937) was Davis' first test as a professional animator, and he took full advantage of the opportunity. He learned everything he could from Natwick, whose professional credits included creating Betty Boop, among others. The training paid dividends, and Davis earned a reputation as the greatest animator of the female form.

Since Davis had experience drawing animals before he was hired by the studio, and with Snow White completed, Walt Disney asked him to work on Bambi (1942). His main responsibility was to draw the character "Flower", but he also worked on pre-production development and the story line.

Davis then moved on to Disney's least known feature Song of the South (1946). This predecessor of Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) also combined animation with live action characters. Davis' drawing of Brer Fox about to roast Brer Rabbit still stands out as great animation to Disney fans everywhere. (there you go...Splash Mountain)

Davis' next triumph was Cinderella (1950). Walt Disney's all-time personal favorite piece of animation was one of the sequences that Marc worked on -- Cinderella coming down the stairs wearing the dress the mice and birds created for her.

After Cinderella, Davis moved on to Alice In Wonderland (1951). Working closely with Milt Kahl, he animated Alice, the Mad Hatter and the March Hare. In Peter Pan (1953), Davis brought both Wendy and Tinkerbell to life. Over the years, "Tink" has been used as the silent hostess for Disneyland and many of Disney's television shows. Today, Tinkerbell cels are among the rarest and most collectible characters to come out of the Disney Studios.

Davis made his greatest mark on Disney's most expensive and last hand inked film Sleeping Beauty (1959). Costing an unheard of amount of money for an animated film, $6 million, Sleeping Beauty was to be Walt Disney's most lavish film yet. Although Californian artist Eyvind Earle is generally given credit for the overall look and color styling for the film, Davis' expert ability to draw detail made him the obvious choice to do Sleeping Beauty's two main characters -- the lovely and dainty heroine Briar Rose and the evil, foreboding villain Maleficent. With consummate grace and skill, Davis created two of the most memorable characters of all time. In fact one of the greatest collections ever to come to the animation market contained the original production drawings of Briar Rose and Maleficent which were signed by Davis. They are incredibly collectable and range from $1200 to $3500. They are the epitome of Davis' achievement and should be included in any serious animation art collection. By comparison, original hand-painted cels of Maleficent used in the film and signed by Davis can exceed $7000.

With a malevolent blueprint behind him, Davis next tackled the character Cruella DeVil in 101 Dalmatians (1961). Considering this was the first Xeroxed film, Cruella's demeanor and style turned out perfectly evil! She is such a memorable character that the popular actress Glenn Close beat out several others to win the role of Cruella DeVil in the live version of 101 Dalmatians. It is interesting to note that in animation art collecting, villains are considered the most collectible characters in Disney films. In fact Cruella and Maleficent have become the two most collected and popular characters in Disney history.

As a member of the Nine Old Men of Disney, Marc's work has become the embodiment of the company itself. When it comes to the history of Walt Disney animation, Davis is more than just a name, he is a Disney legend!

Other works:
Madcap Adventures of Mr. Toad, The (1975) (animator)
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) (directing animator) Sleeping Beauty (1959) (directing animator)
Toot Whistle Plunk and Boom (1953) (animator)
... aka Adventures in Music: Toot Whistle Plunk and Boom (1953)
Melody (1953) (animator)
... aka Adventures in Music: Melody (1953) (USA: complete title)
Peter Pan (1953) (directing animator)
Alice in Wonderland (1951) (directing animator)
Cinderella (1950) (animator) (directing animator)
Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, The (1949) (animator)
... aka Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949) (USA: promotional title)
... aka Legend of Sleepy Hollow, The (1949) (USA: TV title)
... aka Madcap Adventures of Mr. Toad, The (1949)
Fun and Fancy Free (1947) (character animator)
Song of the South (1946) (directing animator)
African Diary (1945) (animator)
Bambi (1942) (animator) (as Fraser Davis)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (assistant animator) (uncredited)
So Dear to My Heart (1949) (cartoon story treatment)
Victory Through Air Power (1943) (storyboard artist)

Chanticleer and Reynard (film never completed)

That's right...Tink and the others would not be around today if it weren't for 'crybaby'! :lol: The films and parks would be completely different.

Marc passed away on January 12, 2000
 

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