Beluga death at Sea World

BuddyThomas

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Original Poster
While this sounds good in theory would it actually work. Doesn't all the money for the animal rehab come from the profits the parks make. Take away the parks and where would they get their funding from.



I think at this point that SeaWorld would be better off closing the shows down and using the the space from the stadiums to expand the animal tanks. I think if you change the the orca and dolphin exhibits into a shark encounter type of attraction that it would be just as popular as the shows if not more. They could have the trainers located throughout the attractions to answer any questions that the public may have. I think this would be a good compromise between the 2 sides.
Knowing that these whales cannot actually ever be released back into the wild, I actually do not have a problem with this and think it sounds like a good enough idea. And hell just froze over because 919Florida and I actually agreed about something.

In other news, Barbie (the doll corporation) has severed ties with Sea World. No more Orca Trainer Barbie, which I never even knew existed.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/24/news/mattel-barbie-seaworld/
 

BuzzKillington

Active Member
http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/28/news/jane-goodall-seaworld/index.html

Can't wait to hear the spin that those who blindly defend Sea World put on this.

What is there to spin when all these accusations and demands of closure are by a bunch of hypocrites? SeaWorld will tell this loonatic who lived with monkeys half her life to fix her own research center before telling others how to run theirs.

Chimps injure anthropology student at Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden
Posted onAugust 21, 2012byanpule

JOHANNESBURG–U.S. anthropology student Andrew Oberle, 26, lost an ear, several fingers and toes and a testicle on June 28, 2012 after entering a restricted enclosure at Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden, apparently to pick up a rock that he believed two chimps named Nikki and Amadeus might hurl at a group of about a dozen visitors. Placed in a medically induced coma due to blood loss, Oberle underwent six hours of surgery five days after the attack.

Wow, nice living quarters!! Puts SeaWorld to shame!

Trauma: Oberle was dragged about a half mile away by the chimps, and paramedics were forced to wait for armed escorts before they could go in and treat him.

Goodall Institute facilites have been involved in previous chimp attacks. Outside magazine writer Elizabeth Royte and Gombe Stream National Park director of chimp research Shadrack Kamenya, writing for Pan Africa News, in late 2002 described a May 2002 incident in which a chimp named Frodo accosted the wife and 16-year-old niece of Gombe park attendant Moshi Sadique. The niece was carrying Sadique’s 14-month-old daughter. Frodo tore the child away, beat her to death against a tree, disemboweled her, and was eating her brain by the time guards arrived. Similar incidents reportedly occurred at Gombe in 1984, 1987, and in the 1950s.

Beautiful!! You two-faced radicals condone this yet chastise SeaWorld's facilities?


In 2003 two Goodall Institute chimps escaped from quarantine at the Entebbe Airport in Uganda. One of them “bit off the fingers and toes of his keeper,” according to Gerald Tenywa of the New Vision newspaper in Kampala. At large for 12 days, the chimps were eventually shot by a posse of Uganda Wildlife Authority rangers, police, and private security guards.

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-parents-left-traumatised.html#ixzz3Yf8hPt6E
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
What is there to spin when all these accusations and demands of closure are by a bunch of hypocrites? SeaWorld will tell this loonatic who lived with monkeys half her life to fix her own research center before telling others how to run theirs.

Chimps injure anthropology student at Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden
Posted onAugust 21, 2012byanpule

JOHANNESBURG–U.S. anthropology student Andrew Oberle, 26, lost an ear, several fingers and toes and a testicle on June 28, 2012 after entering a restricted enclosure at Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden, apparently to pick up a rock that he believed two chimps named Nikki and Amadeus might hurl at a group of about a dozen visitors. Placed in a medically induced coma due to blood loss, Oberle underwent six hours of surgery five days after the attack.

Wow, nice living quarters!! Puts SeaWorld to shame!

Trauma: Oberle was dragged about a half mile away by the chimps, and paramedics were forced to wait for armed escorts before they could go in and treat him.

Goodall Institute facilites have been involved in previous chimp attacks. Outside magazine writer Elizabeth Royte and Gombe Stream National Park director of chimp research Shadrack Kamenya, writing for Pan Africa News, in late 2002 described a May 2002 incident in which a chimp named Frodo accosted the wife and 16-year-old niece of Gombe park attendant Moshi Sadique. The niece was carrying Sadique’s 14-month-old daughter. Frodo tore the child away, beat her to death against a tree, disemboweled her, and was eating her brain by the time guards arrived. Similar incidents reportedly occurred at Gombe in 1984, 1987, and in the 1950s.

Beautiful!! You two-faced radicals condone this yet chastize SeaWorld's facilities?


In 2003 two Goodall Institute chimps escaped from quarantine at the Entebbe Airport in Uganda. One of them “bit off the fingers and toes of his keeper,” according to Gerald Tenywa of the New Vision newspaper in Kampala. At large for 12 days, the chimps were eventually shot by a posse of Uganda Wildlife Authority rangers, police, and private security guards.

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-parents-left-traumatised.html#ixzz3Yf8hPt6E
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
The only way SeaWorld can be in the position to manipulate information regarding certain animals is if they are the epicenter of research into those animals, not just in captivity but also in the wild. That is the prime flaw in the crusade against SeaWorld, all of the reasonable ideas of how to end their captivity programs would require SeaWorld's experience for a considerable amount of time.
Bit late to the party, but this is an extremely important point.

Animals born/raised/kept for extended periods without intent of a quick release from captivity and then released have, on multiple observations, seen very poor adaptation to the wild. This isn't unique to marine mammals, but the most stunning example was the crusade to literally "Free Willy" (Keiko) who died 5 years after being released (and note, he was still cared for and monitored after his "release"). He lived to age 27. Some "estimates" are that wild killer whales live until 50 or more.

The point is, one side of the argument gains nothing by demonizing the other.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Bit late to the party, but this is an extremely important point.

Animals born/raised/kept for extended periods without intent of a quick release from captivity and then released have, on multiple observations, seen very poor adaptation to the wild. This isn't unique to marine mammals, but the most stunning example was the crusade to literally "Free Willy" (Keiko) who died 5 years after being released (and note, he was still cared for and monitored after his "release"). He lived to age 27. Some "estimates" are that wild killer whales live until 50 or more.

The point is, one side of the argument gains nothing by demonizing the other.
My thought is more about the ocean pens that are often cited as a way of handling that inability to cope with complete release. The only organization with the experience in maintaining the health of these animals in such environments would be SeaWorld (assuming they could prevent the likely ecological destruction wrought by introducing a group of apex predators into a confined ecosystem).
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
My thought is more about the ocean pens that are often cited as a way of handling that inability to cope with complete release. The only organization with the experience in maintaining the health of these animals in such environments would be SeaWorld (assuming they could prevent the likely ecological destruction wrought by introducing a group of apex predators into a confined ecosystem).
Exactly. Devil is always in the details, not the dreams, no matter how well placed the intentions are.
 

BuddyThomas

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Original Poster
Because people would prefer to obfuscate and lie about one issue.
Obfustcate - verb (used with object), obfuscated, obfuscating. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.

Some might say that is what Sea World has been doing for many years. They certainly obfustcated me as a child when they made me think it was natural for whales and dolphins to jump through hoops and live in concrete pools for the pleasure of popcorn chomping tourists.

But thanks for the word of the day. :)
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Obfustcate - verb (used with object), obfuscated, obfuscating. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.

Some might say that is what Sea World has been doing for many years. They certainly obfustcated me as a child when they made me think it was natural for whales and dolphins to jump through hoops and live in concrete pools for the pleasure of popcorn chomping tourists.

But thanks for the word of the day. :)
And it seems those who hate SeaWorld were able to do the same if you were that unaware of the rescue programs.
 

BuddyThomas

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Original Poster
And it seems those who hate SeaWorld were able to do the same if you were that unaware of the rescue programs.
Has Sea World been doing press releases about all this stuff for all the years they have been doing it? I've never seen one before recently. I do not doubt they have been doing the rescue and conservation in the past. I just think they are amping up the press releases now to counteract the negative press about the whales.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Has Sea World been doing press releases about all this stuff for all the years they have been doing it? I've never seen one before recently. I do not doubt they have been doing the rescue and conservation in the past. I just think they are amping up the press releases now to counteract the negative press about the whales.
Yes, the press releases are old too.
 

BuddyThomas

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Original Poster
Yes, the press releases are old too.
Don't know what you mean about the press releases being old. The one I posted was dated April 29. There are a few other recent positive ones about Sea Lions, etc. But if you just do a search of Sea World on Google in the news category, it's pretty much attacks from all directions.
 

michmousefan

Well-Known Member
What is there to spin when all these accusations and demands of closure are by a bunch of hypocrites? SeaWorld will tell this loonatic who lived with monkeys half her life to fix her own research center before telling others how to run theirs.

Chimps injure anthropology student at Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden
Posted onAugust 21, 2012byanpule

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-parents-left-traumatised.html#ixzz3Yf8hPt6E
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A ridiculous strawman argument. Any non-domesticated animal in captivity (and some in captivity) can behave unexpectedly. Keep trying to draw the attention away from Sea World.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Has Sea World been doing press releases about all this stuff for all the years they have been doing it? I've never seen one before recently. I do not doubt they have been doing the rescue and conservation in the past. I just think they are amping up the press releases now to counteract the negative press about the whales.
Yes they have. They just seem more newsworthy now by the media considering all the recent bad publicity.

In the 90's, such a story would have been buried in the newspaper, if published at all, or may have been a blurb on the news if they needed a filler piece.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Yes they have. They just seem more newsworthy now by the media considering all the recent bad publicity.

In the 90's, such a story would have been buried in the newspaper, if published at all, or may have been a blurb on the news if they needed a filler piece.
I went to Seaworld, often, in the late 80s and early 90s, and their conservation/animal rescue efforts were a huge part of the story they told, even back then.
 

919Florida

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Exactly. As far as I remember the story of their rescues have been in the news especially after they have a large release. SeaWorld should be very proud of all their rescues. 25,000 rescued animals is a huge number. No reason to hide all the amazing work that's done. I am glad some media organizations actually cover the rescues. That's awesome
 

Donald Razorduck

Well-Known Member
I'm old enough to remember Carter as Prez and I've been aware of SeaWorld's rescue and release efforts since grade school. Most often it was mentioned in beached whale or dolphin rescues when they made the news. If a grown adult is unaware of SeaWorld's help in that field, they are a low information person that hasn't paid much attention most of their life to news and current events. Doesn't make them bad, it is what it is and unfortunately they will latch on to causes because thats the en vogue thing to do, not because they had some trove of info to formulate their belief and social media has made so easy to participate without much effort.
 

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