Beastlie UPDATE

[ToTBellHop]

Screamscape reports:
2004 - BEASTLY KINGDOM - (3/15/02) The latest rumor tells us that not only is Beastly Kingdom on, but there is some kind of “gate testing” going on for the Dragon coaster at the Central Shops. The latest details about the system is that it may use a kind of multistage launch system to propel the riders from one story segment, stop you to unveil some of the story and then launch you into the next section of the ride, until you reach your thrilling final confrontation with a fire breathing dragon. Of course, nothing is certain until construction actually starts... so I would hope that we start to learn something in the next few months following the completion of the Dinoland expansion.

Sounds AWESOME...and lookey there! 2004! Wouldn't THAT be nice!

 

[FutureCEO]

when i see beastly kingdom built, i'll believe it

 

[ToTBellHop]

point well-taken, but this is certainly encouraging!

 

[wanabeimagineer]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
Screamscape reports:
2004 - BEASTLY KINGDOM - (3/15/02) The latest rumor tells us that not only is Beastly Kingdom on, but there is some kind of “gate testing” going on for the Dragon coaster at the Central Shops. The latest details about the system is that it may use a kind of multistage launch system to propel the riders from one story segment, stop you to unveil some of the story and then launch you into the next section of the ride, until you reach your thrilling final confrontation with a fire breathing dragon. Of course, nothing is certain until construction actually starts... so I would hope that we start to learn something in the next few months following the completion of the Dinoland expansion.

Sounds AWESOME...and lookey there! 2004! Wouldn't THAT be nice!

thats good to hear, but i may sound stupid askin but whats a gate testing?

 

[ToTBellHop]

I was hoping someone else might tell us hehe.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Hopefully this will start soon. I have a feeling the first phase will open just in time for the next celebration what ever it may be.

 

[adr315]

Seeing as rumors are increasing (land clearing, pocahontas soon to be cancelled, now this) i have a feeling we'll get a Beastlie Kingdomme announcement this summer, hopefully for 2004 or 2005. If it is a multistepped launch coaster, i have a feeling it will be manuafactured by Intamin AG. Intamin made California Screamin, and Indiana Jones in Paris. Cali. Screaming involves multiple launches. The rumor was always that the Dragon coaster would be inverted, and Intamin is the only company that has not only made inverted launched coasters, but has also almost perfected it. Between Volcano (Paramount Kings Dominion) and all their "Impulse coasters" (Wicked Twister, Vertical Velocity, Superman Ultimate Escape, etc) which have multistepped launches (forwards AND backwards) and parts which involve complete stops (some of their "impulse" coasters hold the trains in a vertical position looking down 180 ft for a few seconds!), i think Disney, if creating a a mega themed, multi-launch coaster, will most likely use Intamin, over Vekoma's overly generic and simple inverted design.....Lets see what happens

Anyone know what "Gate Testing" is????

 

[NowInc]

Im pretty sure what "gate testing" is when they monitor how many people go thru a certain area at different points in the day...sorta like traffic monitoring...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Bolliger and Mabillard also makes inverted coasters and they can do wonders with the inversions...but disney has yet to build a B&M, so perhaps they don't like this company...anyway, Intamin does make fabulous inverted coasters (their impulse coasters are AMAZING), and given disney's use of this company before, I could definitely see them using Intamin again. They would have to come up w/ some pretty innovative trains to allow guests to see any action, which would have to be to the side of the train. They would almost need something like Deja Vu's trains, with rows of four seats...w/ one difference, the seats would be further ahead as you went across the row...so, you'd have the first seat at position A, the next seat about 6 inches ahead, the next seat about 6 inches ahead of that, and the fourth seat six inches ahead of that...so no one would block another's view.

 

[adr315]

Hey, i love B&M as much as the next person, but since Disney has never worked with them, i dont see it very likely.....and anyway, seeing as their is 11 B&M coasters between Florida, Georgia and South Carolina as it is, and not one major Intamin in these 3 states, i think it would be better. I havent had the priveledge of riding an Impulse, or any inverted Intamin coasterm, but i hear nothing but good things about them. In fact, the only Intamin coaster i have had the priveledge of riding is Superman Ride of Steal in Six FLags America, and thought it was EXCELLENT (havent felt that much airtime in my life....even tho the middle seat in ToT is a close second)....im hoping to ride Superman RoS at New England, and Millenium Force and Wicked Twister soon enough.....But i believe a good inverted Intamin coaster, with some of those insane looking zero-g rolls would do wonders for Animal Kingdom, not to mention that it would be located in a hopefully beautifully themed area with other rides....well im babbling, so peace

 

[adr315]

BTW, does anyone have any links to some of the original concept art for Animal Kingdom, with Beastlie Kingdomme in it? i havent seen em in a while, and cant find any sites with em.....thanks

 

[ToTBellHop]

haha...once Animal Kingdom has a heavily themed coaster with several LIM launches and 5 to 7 inversions...people will FLOCK there!

 

[Disney4648]

Thanks for the infor and update!

 

[Tom Morrow]

Sorry adr315, but I'd have to disagree. Intamin inverts are good, but they are no match for B&M's inverts. But then, B&M does not want to work with Disney, and if Disney wanted LIM launches, B&M wouldn't do it anyway. But something tells me that if they want to have the type of coaster Screamscape is suggesting, an invert would not work because of the obstructed view you have. You can barely see unless you're in the front row.

My guess is that it might be a Vekoma Flying Dutchman, since Vekoma did great work with Disney on RnRc, they have experience with LIM rides, and if its themed to dragons, a flying coaster makes perfect sense - dragons fly!

 

[ToTBellHop]

I came up w/ a way for the views not to be abstructed...Vekoma uses it on their Deja Vu coasters, where the seats in any given car are not at the same distance, horizontally, from the front of the car. Flying coasters are a bit nausiating...not sure disney would put one in...it'd be hard to get a view of anything, b/c you would have to be face down...otherwise you would feel like you were going backwards when the LIM kicked in (if you have been on a flyer, when you are on your back, above the track, you feel like you are going backwards). It'd be quite painful to tilt your head to the side to see the dragon...I think the best way to go is either an inverted or suspended coaster, but a suspended coaster would go nuts during a LIM launch, and seeing as we already have a steel looping coaster w/ the LIM...inverted seems to be our best bet. I didn't know B&M didn't wanna build a coaster for disney...although I did know B&M pretty much tells you what they are going to build, which disney would not like...

 

[Tom Morrow]

Hmm, I didn't think about that for the flyer, I guess you're right. We can only hope that Disney doesn't have Vekoma build an SLC (invert) for Disney, unless its as smooth as Deja Vu. Oh man, that would be a HUGE mistake, SLCs are terribly painful!

You hit the nail on the head, Disney and B&M probably would never work together because B&M likes to be in complete charge of the project, and so does Disney.

 

[Goofster]

The flying coaster at Six Flags WOA is one of the most incredible experiences i've ever had.

It'd be soo sweet at AK!! Aww man, the perfect way to add in theming and have it flying is to make it like X. Now we all know this 'll never happen, but imagine the possibilities. You sit straight up on the outsides of the coaster to start, then at the launch, you lie face down like a flying coaster, You do some loops and stuff and then slow down, the seats rotate back up and you check out the scenery and the show, then you lie down again and take off flying right by the sweltering hot fire spewing from the mother dragon!! WooHooo!

 

[Tom Morrow]

I highly doubt Disney would build an Arrow Dynamics 4D coaster. Thats far too intense for Disney.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The biggest problem with Vekoma inverted coasters are the restraints...they give MASSIVE whiplash...which is why many of them are rightfully called "Mind Eraser"...B&M makes much smoother rides, but we pretty much ruled them out. Intamin's Superman Ultimate Escape was incredible and also very comfortable (this was the first impulse coaster), but I have never been on Volcano: The Blast Coaster to see how smooth it is, as it would be more like our coaster. As for the flying dutchman...I still don't see us getting one...what I do see, however, is something like the EXTREME X (too extreme for disney, perhaps...)...but, I'm pretty sure Arrow has reserved all of its Fourth Dimensional Coasters for Six Flags...from all the Six Flags rumors I have heard, Arrow will be building two fourth dimensional coasters in the northeast for next year, probably at Six Flags Great Adventure and ~crosses fingers~ Six Flags Darien Lake. Now, obviously Six Flags functions differently than Disney, but Arrow basically designs every aspect of this ride--not sure if they would demand to be able to do that with disney. That would cause disney to say "no thanks". Also, if you look at the complex restraint system for these rides, they would not allow for the efficiency disney aims for, as these restraints take a while to put on and a while to check...inverted coasters simply have the shoulder harnass and a seatbelt, which you can check very quickly...keep in mind...with a coaster having two stops followed by the traditional inverted coaster portion, you could feasibly have one train in the station, one ready to blast, one at the first scene, one at the second scene, one exiting the main ride area, and one letting guests off at the exit station...that's six trains...based on the train layout, this could spell anywhere from 20 to 32 passengers per train, 120 to 192 passengers per ride cycle...exactly what the best thrill ride in the park will need for it's most likely obscene lines. I would assume each ride portion would be about a minute (with the final ride area being longer, but that'd be okay because a train would always be waiting to get loaded anyway, and they would have to have enough room to stop two trains at the end of the track, which most coasters do...), given this uses LIMs, so that would be 60 trains per hour = 1200 to 1920 guest per hour...which would be AMAZING for a 3½ minute ride! How long would you, the guest, wait? Well...in the original blast area they would talk for about a minute, then blast you to the first one-minute show area, then blast you to the second one minute show area, then send you into the ride area (which would go into the next one minute interval by about thirty seconds), then you'd cool off for thirty seconds, they'd give you a minute to get off, and the train would be on its way! I realize six trains is excessive, but they could do it, and the only time you would be waiting w/ no audio playing would be those last 30 seconds...NOT BAD!

 

[adr315]

Anyway, i never said i liked Intamin inverts better than B&M inverts, since ive never been on an Intamin invert. But in actuality, i rather have an Intamin, just for that fact that we have a huge assortment of B&M's in the south, and no Intamins....i guess time will tell, cuz this project could just as easily be a completely Disney manufactured ride, and could possibly be a version of the "Journey to the center of the earth" ride system.......we'll see in due time, i guess