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ToTBellHop
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Do they allow it? I didn't know a state could decide to NOT allow foie gras...
Weather_Lady
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I believe there have been efforts to ban it in various areas, particularly in California, although I don't know if there is a state-wide ban anywhere.
I do hope that if WDW did decide to serve the stuff, it would ensure that it was ethically produced (i.e., no force-feeding). Otherwise, they'll be bringing the wrath of PETA, and the hostility of animal-loving foodies, down on their heads with the speed and force of an enchanted wardrobe jumping down from on high...
bdearl41
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i know that they allow it in North Carolina. But Illinois does not, so I dont know.
Vernonpush
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From Wikipedia:shrug: :
"United States
State of California: Sections 25980-25984 of the California Health and Safety Code, enacted in 2004 and to become effective July 1, 2012, prohibit the "force feed[ing of] a bird for the purpose of enlarging the bird's liver beyond normal size" as well as the sale of products that are a result of this process.[57]
City of San Diego: On January 8, 2008, the San Diego City Council unanimously[58] passed a resolution that "commends the Animal Protection and Rescue League (APRL) for raising awareness of the cruel practice of force-feeding ducks and geese to produce foie gras, commends the many San Diego restaurants that have stopped selling foie gras before the California statewide ban goes into effect, and encourages San Diegans to avoid supporting this extreme form of animal cruelty." The resolution also cites an independent Zogby poll finding that 85% of San Diegans favor an immediate ban on foie gras.[59][60][61]
City of Chicago: On 26 April 2006, the Chicago City Council voted to ban the sale of foie gras, effective 22 August 2006[62] Breaches of the ban were to be punished with fines of $250–$500.[63] Alderman Joe Moore, who proposed the ban, described the method by which foie gras is produced as "clearly animal cruelty."[63]
In response, several Chicago chefs filed suit and deliberately violated the law by continuing to sell foie gras.[64] Furthermore, a handful of chefs served foie gras without charge, which they considered not to be against the law.[65][66] Even for establishments that were violating the law, the City issued warning letters but, until February 17, 2007, no citations were given. On that date, Doug Sohn, owner of a gourmet hot dog shop was charged with a violation. Although the fine could have been as high as $500, Sohn agreed to pay a $250 fine on March 29.[67][68] Several unusual dishes, including foie gras pizza, have been created in Chicago, in defiance of the City Council's banning of foie gras. 46,000 pounds of foie gras were sold in Chicago in 2006.[63]
In December 2006, Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley referred to the ban as "the silliest law" the City Council has ever passed.[68] As a result of the ban, Chicago restaurants Spiaggia and Tru developed dishes designed to simulate the foie gras experience. Chicago Tribune restaurant critic Phil Vettel found Tru's "Faux Gras" "close to the real thing", and Spiaggia's "terrina de fagato grasso vegetariano" "undeniably rich and indulgent", but "[lacking] the characteristic foie-gras intensity".[69]
In response to Mayor Daley's objections on the foie gras ban, the City Council overwhelmingly repealed Chicago's ban on May 14, 2008.[70]"
So it was only in Chicago for a while, and soon to be California.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
^^ Very good reply and much better said than I could have. I would have strictly been able to point out that the Chicago ban on Foie was lifted a few years ago (thankfully) and I'm able to get my Foie Dog from Hot Dougs any time I want. Mmmm....
Personally though, I'm guessing WDW will not sell it to avoid any political fallout over it. I just have a feeling that the returns they would get would not outweigh the fact that most people wouldnt order it anyway, and there is always the chance a vocal minority would stir up some noise if they sold it.
I hope I'm wrong though, because it is delicious!
Personally though, I'm guessing WDW will not sell it to avoid any political fallout over it. I just have a feeling that the returns they would get would not outweigh the fact that most people wouldnt order it anyway, and there is always the chance a vocal minority would stir up some noise if they sold it.
I hope I'm wrong though, because it is delicious!
Vernonpush
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I have a feeling that the menu would NOT have anything more than the "Standard Theme Park Fare" of other MK Restaurants. Even Chefs de France has no foie gras... I think that once the place gets established, they will shift or add a Character Dining Spot to here. :shrug:
I looked this up and I think that there would be a problem serving something that people might get very upset about. Force feeding an animal is pretty harsh. I don't care if people do this or eat this... I just don't think a place that tried to be politically correct would allow this type of food. I heard there was a "faux" version that does not involve force feeding.
bdearl41
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but it is so delicious!!!!
HouCuseChickie
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I totall agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!:slurp: For all the signature dining spots at WDW, there is a shocking lack of foie. I mean, it's just such a staple in fine dining... even in non-French establishments. To be perfectly honest...I've always thought "the gray stuff" was pate/foie...so it would seem quite fitting to serve it. Honestly- it would be nice if they offered all of the food in the lyrics... I mean really- cheese souffle = YUM, beef ragout = so many ways to do it to make it unique, and come on...anything "en flambe" is good w/me!!!
As for the dates...from a business standpoint, I would think they'd want this ready to go before Thanksgiving. It would also be a no brainer to have this ready before they film the parade...I mean, talk about perfect marketing. i.e. while the parade is broadcast at the peak of the holiday season...it's the perfect marketing pitch for the slow season to follow.
The reality- they can't make any annoucements on ADRs or pretty much anything until that entire area (sans Mine Train) is ready to go, since any announcement about BoG = a green light to the public for that portion of the FLE. I also wouldn't expect to know 180 days out from the opening date...it just doesn't follow what they'd normally do w/an opening. I think we may get a few weeks notice on soft openings and that's about it. I was initially guessing we might hear something by August...but now I'm starting to think October or late September is more realistic about when they'll really say something.
As for what "holiday season" really means is up for debate. On one hand- you could easily say December...or at least day after Thanksgiving since that's when the Storytellers and Candlelight Processional start. On the other side...we all know that WDW goes into holiday mode after the last MNSSHP. I mean, Osborne Lights starts around Nov 9th, MVMCP kicks off around this time, and they start doing the Dream Light lighting ceremonies begining in early Nov as well, so it wouldn't be unreasonalbe to think it could mean early November for adrs. Plus...considering people pay a premium (although not late Dec premium) to go at Thanksgiving- I really don't think they'd want to be in soft opening mode by that point...i.e. from a profit standpoint, it makes sense to see it open for ADRs once they go into Thanksgiving pricing...which starts around Nov 17th for the vals and mods and a couple days later for the deluxes.
But of course- it's all speculation at this point...but it's fun speculation :wave: