Avengers Infinity War SPOILER Filled Thread

[Princess Leia]

For those who have seen the movie lately- how far into it does Gamora die? Because I want to say it’s halfway, but that doesn’t seem right (given her screentime)

Using this list as a guide (unless one comes out that’s more accurate) and if you take Thanos out of the equation, the top 4 protagonists of the film are Gamora, Tony, Thor, and Doctor Strange.

 

[RandomPrincess]

For those who have seen the movie lately- how far into it does Gamora die? Because I want to say it’s halfway, but that doesn’t seem right (given her screentime)

Using this list as a guide (unless one comes out that’s more accurate) and if you take Thanos out of the equation, the top 4 protagonists of the film are Gamora, Tony, Thor, and Doctor Strange.

Shes' like 2/3s in.

 

[RandomPrincess]

The Russos have confirmed that Valkyrie escaped with half the Asgardian refugees.

 

[Princess Leia]

The Russos have confirmed that Valkyrie escaped with half the Asgardian refugees.

Well I hope we see her with them in 4

 

[RandomPrincess]

Well I hope we see her with them in 4

Not sure we will because they also said they don't know exactly HOW exactly she survived just they were told she did. I think whoever does Thor 4 gets to pick that plotline.

 

[Princess Leia]

Not sure we will because they also said they don't know exactly HOW exactly she survived just they were told she did. I think whoever does Thor 4 gets to pick that plotline.

She could show up in Avengers 4, since Thor 4 is a bit of an unknown right now. Anything’s possible for A4

 

[Tick Tock]

I take this post as your willingness to turn to ash for the greater good

You bet I'd take one for the team. Taking a deep breath and peacefully turning into confetti is head & shoulders a much better way to go than most people are given in reality. Yet another sign Thanos may not be all that "bad". And who goes or stays is chosen strictly at random, not by some underlying hatred or prejudice toward a specific group of people. (He's not another Hitler).

Think long and hard about it next time you're stuck in rush-hour traffic, or hit any of the parks on the wrong holiday weekend. Was the big purple guy really THAT far outta line?

 

[TalkingHead]

Got 45 minutes to an hour to spare to read one of the best pieces of criticism written on IW?
http://observer.com/2018/04/avengers-infinity-war-movie-and-marvels-endless-endgame/

He writes that the Marvel films have become weighed down by the problems of comic book storytelling.

But he could've just said the Marvel films have become Disney's golden goose.

The reason there's no endgame to these movies is because Disney's going to milk the franchise (and Star Wars) for no reason other than to rake in the cash.

There's no artistic storytelling purpose to these films other than keep the gravy train rolling. Sounds like this latest film culminates with a gratuitous fake-out ending.

These Marvel movies aren't trashy genre pictures, even. (If only!) They're cynical emotionally vapid corporate filmmaking at it's worst.

 

[MisterPenguin]

He writes that the Marvel films have become weighed down by the problems of comic book storytelling.

But he could've just said the Marvel films have become Disney's golden goose.

The reason there's no endgame to these movies is because Disney's going to milk the franchise (and Star Wars) for no reason other than to rake in the cash.

There's no artistic storytelling purpose to these films other than keep the gravy train rolling. Sounds like this latest film culminates with a gratuitous fake-out ending.

These Marvel movies aren't trashy genre pictures, even. (If only!) They're cynical emotionally vapid corporate filmmaking at it's worst.

Ten years and 19 films with no pure reboots. That's pure success, my friend, for those of us who enjoy the genre.

The $15,5 billion gross box office also helps dry their tears after such a negative review. And if you point out their problem precisely is the money-grabbing, then they'll say, "yeah, the Benjamins are great at drying our tears from such hurtful comments."

 

[the.dreamfinder]

He writes that the Marvel films have become weighed down by the problems of comic book storytelling.

But he could've just said the Marvel films have become Disney's golden goose.

The reason there's no endgame to these movies is because Disney's going to milk the franchise (and Star Wars) for no reason other than to rake in the cash.

There's no artistic storytelling purpose to these films other than keep the gravy train rolling. Sounds like this latest film culminates with a gratuitous fake-out ending.

These Marvel movies aren't trashy genre pictures, even. (If only!) They're cynical emotionally vapid corporate filmmaking at it's worst.

You did read that in the review he says he liked the movie, right?

Critical =\= Negative
EDIT: quoted correct post

 

[Mike S]

Ten years and 19 films with no pure reboots. That's pure success, my friend, for those of us who enjoy the genre.

The $15,5 billion gross box office also helps dry their tears after such a negative review. And if you point out their problem precisely is the money-grabbing, then they'll say, "yeah, the Benjamins are great at drying our tears from such hurtful comments."

Some people don’t like fun.

 

[Mike S]

You did read that in the review he says he liked the movie, right?

Critical =\= Negative

I think he’s specifically referring to the person he quoted, not the article.

 

[TalkingHead]

You did read that in the review he says he liked the movie, right?

Critical =\= Negative
EDIT: quoted correct post

He sounded more ambivalent about it as a work of dramatic filmmaking. Said it's become a comic book more than a film series with emotionally engaging dramatic beats.

Did you miss the part where he said re: the ending the filmmakers made the right decision with the wrong characters? How do you buy into the drama of that ending knowing that sequels with those "dead" characters are coming? That's the point I took away from Hulk's review.

 

[TalkingHead]

Some people don’t like fun.

Very witty.

A lot of people thought Last Jedi was fun, too. You must've loved it, I gather.

 

[Sam Magic]

Great article from theweek that asks if Thanos is like America:
http://theweek.com/articles/770247/thanos-america

 

[the.dreamfinder]

He sounded more ambivalent about it as a work of dramatic filmmaking. Said it's become a comic book more than a film series with emotionally engaging dramatic beats.

Here’s one of the best insights from the piece.

After I watched Black Panther, I start writing passionately for a good 12 straight hours because my brain couldn’t stop finding things to talk about. Not just because of the remarkable social moment the film’s very existence seemed to create. Not just because of the way it seamlessly put character arcs into coherent drama. Not just because it had the brazen audacity for its hero to be wrong. But because the film, at almost every moment, had something on its mind. There’s direct social and psychological commentary woven into every little story and design detail, whether it’s the usurping of black culture, class within racial intersections, or the effect of violence upon society. And in the end, it forms them all into a deeply powerful, coherent, singular statement. People were floored. And it’s the reason why the biggest cheer in my audience came when the word “Wakanda” popped on screen. It is a testament to everything these movies can possibly be. But Marvel’s run lately has featured some of this same thematic strength. Ragnorok showed actual late-period growth for Thor and sneaks in a resonant message about the ghosts of colonialism. Just as Guardians 2 has the dignity to create a coherent extended metaphor about fathers—found, abusive, or otherwise. All three of these films prove that Marvel movies can be more than the visceral feeling they evoke.

Did you miss the part where he said re: the ending the filmmakers made the right decision with the wrong characters? How do you buy into the drama of that ending knowing that sequels with those "dead" characters are coming? That's the point I took away from Hulk's review.

That’s part of it, but I got the impression that he’s concerned these films are effictively running in place. Actions set up for the next movie, Cap’s flip phone, or important thematic beats from one story being left to die on the vine, Asgard is a people, don’t pay off dramatically. The ending, in Hulk’s view, is part of a greater problem with these films. Personally, I think the ending* works because, like with the Walt era animated films, those feelings are experienced and they are deeply felt, despite any happy ending later on.

* This is the first half of an epic. Treating IW as a stand-alone film, when it’s structure didn’t really change enough to earn that designation, is dishonest folly. Like just add another 15-20 minutes just about Thanos’ formation of his worldview, including the abusive relationship he has with his “children”, and play out the attack on the Asgardian vessel. Commit to making Thanos the protagonist full on where the Avengers/Guardians are the antagonists.

 

[Mike S]

Very witty.

A lot of people thought Last Jedi was fun, too. You must've loved it, I gather.

Hated it actually but nice try. I liked TFA but when this movie failed to follow what that movie was constantly teasing I grew disinterested in this whole trilogy. Not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of its plot.

 

[englanddg]

Hole lee wow.

This movie was great.

 

[englanddg]

And, I must say say the producers...they made this movie with:

Me during the movie...for the first time in a long time at the theater.

 

[englanddg]

So, my basic review...since this is a spoilers section?

Wow. So much done right, so little done wrong.

First, they gave enough time to the subplots to allow them their own space to be interesting.
Second, they gave good development screentime to their newer characters, Vision and Spiderman. Though, minor gripe, Vision was way too weak. They explain it, kindaaaa? But, with everything else going on in the movie, I didn't really care. I'm not really a fan of the character, so him as the "damsel" of the movie didn't really bother me, but it still seemed a bit out of place with how kickass he was the last time we saw him (which, I haven't seen every movie, but by my memory, was Civil War).

That said, I really loved what they did with Scarlet Witch. Very true to the powers she had in the comics. They've changed the character a lot, but I think that was needed, and I like what they are doing with her.

I didn't see Black Panther (wanted to, my grandfather passed on a long trail during that period, and couldn't make it to the theaters) and I didn't see Ragnarok because, well, I just missed it, really. Heard both were good...just didn't make it out to see them.

When the movie opened, I felt like I was missing out on the Ragnarok plotline (probably because I am). I had no idea how the Hulk got there, but I did still appreciate the scene and the joke about the "we have a Hulk". The Loki redemption thing has been there for a whIile in the Thor series, so I sortof knew he was a baddie turned good, and expected what we saw, but was glad they played it out the way they did. Having not seen Ragnarok, there was enough missing backstory that I was left going...um, ok, they could have gone another direction with him?

Did NOT expect him to die (though, he'll be back, I'm sure...or not...we'll see).

But, great opening scene, got me interested in it...

So, only seen it once, so I can't go scene by scene, but from there, as I recall, they jumped to Iron Man meeting Dr. Strange. Well done. I feel like there could have been a bit more quips (probably are in deleted scenes), but they really did a good job of establishing these characters as "equals", but with different views on "reality" (one the tech based Stark, the other the spiritual based Strange), who play off each other well. This set up is rewarding by the end of the film.

I could keep stepping scene by scene as I recall them, but we've all seen the film, and this is spoiler territory, so...I'll leave it with, they took their time introducing each of the groups and subplots within their own theme (the introduction of the Guardians was great!).

Just...really well done. Good pacing, funny interactions, and everyone was...themselves.

But, what really blew my mind, is how they handled Thanos. He could have been just a big ol' baddie. But, they took time with him, to explain him. This, was important. He wasn't a Snoke who was a baddie, but got chopped in half (how SUBVERSIVE)...no...

He had motivations.

Motivations deeper and more interesting than even "they did bad things to me so I hate them"...real motivations.

Motivations that...frankly, have been bantered around before...by intellectuals. In recent history.

And no, I'm not going Godwin.

Actually, I'm going to refer you to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

Now, most people think these were actually set up by Ted Turner. Possibly...who knows. But, obviously no one supports a culling (the film actually goes into WHY that is such a terrible idea in a way that isn't preachy at all...it's real).

And, then they leave it. No reset, no magic ending. He got his sunset.

Thanos won. For now.

So, like I said earlier. In today's film industry...