Avengers Endgame Spoiler Discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll say this: the “multiverse” is a good idea if it leads to “Captain America: Pay the Man” in 5 years..

 

[Mike S]

I'm not convinced they need a multi-verse concept in the movies, but we'll see where it goes.

It can work in some cases if they want a fresh start. DC Comics has "reset" their story-lines a few times this way. The new Star Trek movies used it effectively, allowing them go back to the original series time-frame while still telling new stories.

Do they really need it in the movies? Will it just be confusing? Does it make it too easy to bring back characters at will? Want to bring back Black Widow or Captain America? No problem, just pluck their younger selves from an alternate timeline.

Black Widow and Captain America wouldn’t leave the timelines they live in just because they died in another. They would stay and protect their timeline.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Black Widow and Captain America wouldn’t leave the timelines they live in just because they died in another. They would stay and protect their timeline.

Except, timelines can't be modified by time travel. If I choose another timeline where one is alive, go back in time and pluck them out, that timeline is unchanged and they're still alive.

Or something. I feel like trying to make logic out of any of this is going down a rabbit hole with no exit.

 

[Darkprime]

Booked my tickets for Far From Home! Really excited about the potential of a multiverse hope its not a fakeout. I could see it being a double bluff. Mysterio claims hes from an alternate but really hes not but the post credit scene reveals he actually is and gives us a possible x-men/f4 tease.

 

[Mike S]

Except, timelines can't be modified by time travel. If I choose another timeline where one is alive, go back in time and pluck them out, that timeline is unchanged and they're still alive.

Or something. I feel like trying to make logic out of any of this is going down a rabbit hole with no exit.

No, you just took them out of their reality.

The events of the movie don’t change the past of the heroes we know, but right now there’s a 2014 reality where Thanos and his whole army left. The heroes of that reality will never experience Infinity War, and the Guardians of the Galaxy potentially don’t form because the Gamora of that reality left too. There’s also a reality where Loki has the Tesseract after the first Avengers which will no doubt be covered on his Disney + show.

 

[Darkprime]

Jon Watts director of Far From Home seems to confirm the multiverse.

Fandango: Let's get to the most important question: Does Far From Home introduce the Multiverse to the MCU?

Jon Watts: Well, I mean, yeah. We had to look at it in terms of the scope of what happened at the end of Endgame. Seeing all the crazy things that they did and all the questions that raises. So we're definitely trying to answer one of the big ones -- alternate timelines. So many possibilities opened up at the end of Endgame, and Peter Parker is one of the few people on the ground dealing with them.

Fandango: Are you able to explain the rules of this multiverse in terms of how it differs from the Spider-Verse that we were introduced to inInto The Spider-Verse?

Jon Watts: I wouldn't dare! I'll let Nick Fury do that.

 

[Fox&Hound]

1st hour was so boring. It dragged on too far with the exposition and unnecessary low brow humor that no one in my theatre even laughed at such as the fortnight online gamer scene. The second hour gets really fun once they add the time travel element but that same element became totally confusing because they are changing the past and meeting themselves with no effect on the future. (though how does that work with 2 Cap Americas). Secondly if all the stones get reset, Black Widow should've returned. You had a end battle where none of the good guys were actually killed in battle yet the iron man sacrifices himself.

Thanos became a super generic villain vs his amazing portrayal in Infinity War. It was just meh.

Wow- I could not agree with you more. I wanted to love it after watching most of the movies leading up to it, but unlike Infinity War Part One, I found it very underwhelming. Boring first hour, frantic pace at the end. And how is Cap going to sit this one out and just choose a life for himself when he has the power to protect others? M'kay....

 

[SosoDude]

Wow- I could not agree with you more. I wanted to love it after watching most of the movies leading up to it, but unlike Infinity War Part One, I found it very underwhelming. Boring first hour, frantic pace at the end. And how is Cap going to sit this one out and just choose a life for himself when he has the power to protect others? M'kay....

The dude just lead the team that reversed the worst tragedy to ever happen and restored life to 1/2 of the universe. I think if he wants to retire, good for him.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Oh, I'm the same for sure. The second you really analyze time travel in any movie the whole thing unravels. It's a plot device, overthinking it is pointless.

Welp, watched the Spider-Man trailer. Confirms a multiverse.

 

[erasure fan1]

This brings up the interesting question, of how interconnected should these movies be?

For me, I wanted a bit more of it leading up to Infinity War. Maybe someone will point out what I missed, but I never got the feeling that the encounter with Thanos and the threat of the infinity stones was something that was sufficiently developed, expected, or meaningful.

Thanos made brief end-credit appearances in a few movies, including wearing the glove in Age of Ultron. GOTG showed us the destructive power of the stones, briefly. Where was it established that Thanos was an inevitable threat, and that the stones were his ultimate goal? I just didn't see it. When Banner warns, "Thanos is coming", why was this seen as a big deal?

Infinity War was fun because of all these established characters interacting with each other, but I didn't find the previous films did much in terms of making the overall plot meaningful.

I think they did a good job putting the stones in the back of every viewers mind. They are mentioned in guardians, ultron, dr strange, ragnarok, dark world then recaped in infinity war off the top of my head. I think they wanted Thanos and the stones to be something you recognized might be important but not dominate the individual narrative of each movie. Personally I think it was done perfect. It let each movie be its own thing while stringing you along for something bigger to come.

 

[Darkprime]

A reddit user is claiming marvel and sony are working out a new deal. But its up in the air whether or not sony will accept it.

So, anyway, Marvel has proposed a deal with Sony. These are the terms of it:

- Marvel Studios will get full creative control over live-action characters like Spider-Man, Venom, Black Cat, etc., but Sony will still have distribution rights and gain most of the profit.

- Morbius' status is up in the air, but Venom 2, Kraven and all the other "spinoffs" will be cancelled for sure. Marvel will reboot Venom, but they will use Tom Hardy in the MCU in a different role, due to the fact that he is still signed on for at least two more movies. (Perhaps Wolverine? The Thing?)

- Some of the projects could be adapted into Disney+ series/miniseries.

- Marvel is considering reviving the "Silver and Black" project, and also plans to use Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman in a movie or Disney+ miniseries.

- Sony will keep the animation rights, because Marvel feels like they should remain as they are.

- Kraven the Hunter will debut in Spider-Man 3, as a Sinister Six member.

- Venom could be the main antagonist of Spider-Man 4, which may also introduce Miles Morales.

- Marvel still wants to make a Sinister Six spinoff movie, which could function as a "redemption story" for the group. The movie may take place in The Savage Land (which is what Sony's original plan was before Spider-Man joined the MCU) and The Lizard may be the main antagonist. Drew Goddard is almost certainly going to direct, because he loves the idea.

- There is already a possible actor Marvel is eyeing for the role of Eddie Brock/Venom in the MCU: Dacre Montgomery, AKA The Red Ranger and Billy Hargrove from Stranger Things.

- Speaking of Stranger Things, Caleb McLaughlin (who played Lucas) is an early frontrunner for the role of Miles Morales.

- There are plans for a crossover movie that could feature Spider-Man teaming up with Venom, Miles, Black Cat, Spider-Woman and other heroes (and possibly villains/antiheroes) from Spider-Man's universe. There are several key comic storylines the movie could adapt, but the most likely story is Maximum Carnage.

- Don't expect to see Nightwatch, Jackpot or Silk anytime soon, if ever.

Now, even if this is true (and I'm not sure it is) it all depends on whether or not Sony agrees to this deal. And, being the idiots they are, they probably won't.

 

[Indy_UK]

It's a no brainier deal for Sony but they are stupid enough to turn this down

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I think they did a good job putting the stones in the back of every viewers mind. They are mentioned in guardians, ultron, dr strange, ragnarok, dark world then recaped in infinity war off the top of my head. I think they wanted Thanos and the stones to be something you recognized might be important but not dominate the individual narrative of each movie. Personally I think it was done perfect. It let each movie be its own thing while stringing you along for something bigger to come.

I rewatched GOGT and that movie did it best IMO. We got a bit of Thanos and it was made clear how deadly a single stone is, and how all of them together would be a nightmare.

I wanted more than that plot point being in the back of my mind, particularly in the other movies. I'm not talking about spending a lot of time on it, but was it even established after Avengers that they knew Thanos was behind it all, and that the stones needed to be protected? That's what was missing for me, something to establish that Thanos was the looming threat above all overs that they would need to deal with some day.

 

[Indy_UK]

Just saw my 2nd showing. Do we know where Gamora went?

 

[erasure fan1]

Just saw my 2nd showing. Do we know where Gamora went?

no, not yet. I'm guessing we'll find out in guardians 3

 

[khlaylav]

Here's a funky question: when will there be a Far from Home thread, and will we have to label it SPOILERS right off the bat thanks to its second trailer?

 

[Princess Leia]

Here's a funky question: when will there be a Far from Home thread, and will we have to label it SPOILERS right off the bat thanks to its second trailer?

Spiderman (2): Far From Home

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-far-home-tom-holland-reveals-title-next-movie-1122904 Sony and Marvel Studios' Spider-Man: Far From Home opens July 5, 2019 and will be the first Marvel Cinematic Universe movie to follow Avengers 4, which opens two months earlier. Stars...

forums.wdwmagic.com

It's been around for several months. Idk what to do regarding spoilers though.

 

[mf1972]

i think endgame will eventually overtake avatar. as of wednesday, i think it’s approximately $2.3 billion worldwide. not sure if it’ll do it after this weekend.

 

[King Panda 77]

Spiderman (2): Far From Home

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-far-home-tom-holland-reveals-title-next-movie-1122904 Sony and Marvel Studios' Spider-Man: Far From Home opens July 5, 2019 and will be the first Marvel Cinematic Universe movie to follow Avengers 4, which opens two months earlier. Stars...

forums.wdwmagic.com

It's been around for several months. Idk what to do regarding spoilers though.

Maybe make a far from home spoiler thread. If you don't read the comics it is quite easy to have big things spoiled.

 

[Princess Leia]

The cast of Far from Home apparently can’t figure out why they’re back in HS, but the rest of us can- no aging when you’re nothing but dust