AVATAR land construction progress

jmuboy

jmuboy

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rushtest4echo said:
While I certainly agree with most of your points, I don't think Disney ever intended this ride to be an E-ticket. Flight of Passage is clearly the headliner. I can't think of any time Disney has ever built two side by side e-tickets at an established park (maybe I'm mistaken).
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2 side by side etickets will happen with Star Wars.

Or it happened when DL opened the Monorail, Matterhorn and Subs in the same year.
 
Casper Gutman

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jmuboy said:
2 side by side etickets will happen with Star Wars.

Or it happened when DL opened the Monorail, Matterhorn and Subs in the same year.
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Grizzly Mountain and Mystic Manor opened less than a year apart in Hong Kong.

This is a land that has been promised since before AK opened (back then it was Beastly, of course) and is essentially completing the park as originally envisioned. They really cut corners on the ride aspect.

That corner cutting is even more noticeable because of how unlikely it seems that Disney will add a ride at any point in the conceivable future - between the acquisition of Marvel and Star Wars, the limited public interest in Avatar (central to many of the news stories about the new land), and the thinness of source material within the franchise, it's hard to imagine Disney being eager to revisit the area unless the Avatar sequels actually get made (probable but not certain) and come close to the success of the first (unlikely).

Basically, if every land in AK had an additional e-ticket, it would feel like a completed park (it's still Disney's best right now).
 
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PB Watermelon

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Casper Gutman said:
Grizzly Mountain and Mystic Manor opened less than a year apart in Hong Kong.

This is a land that has been promised since before AK opened (back then it was Beastly, of course) and is essentially completing the park as originally envisioned. They really cut corners on the ride aspect.

That corner cutting is even more noticeable because of how unlikely it seems that Disney will add a ride at any point in the conceivable future - between the acquisition of Marvel and Star Wars, the limited public interest in Avatar (central to many of the news stories about the new land), and the thinness of source material within the franchise, it's hard to imagine Disney being eager to revisit the area unless the Avatar sequels actually get made (probable but not certain) and come close to the success of the first (unlikely).

Basically, if every land in AK had an additional e-ticket, it would feel like a completed park (it's still Disney's best right now).
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Of course the Avatar sequels will be made. They start shooting in August, only thing delayed is the release date for Avatar 2.
 
drew81

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Does anyone know if the show building has been painted or covered up as viewed from the parking lot?

Has any new foliage been planted?
 
Casper Gutman

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PB Watermelon said:
Of course the Avatar sequels will be made. They start shooting in August, only thing delayed is the release date for Avatar 2.
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Knowing the history of Avatar, the state of the production, and the way Hollywood works, it is very reasonable to question whether we will ever see Avatar 2, let alone Avatar 4. I suspect we will, but I sure wouldn't put any money down.
 
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PB Watermelon

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Casper Gutman said:
Knowing the history of Avatar, the state of the production, and the way Hollywood works, it is very reasonable to question whether we will ever see Avatar 2, let alone Avatar 4. I suspect we will, but I sure wouldn't put any money down.
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That's easy money. Knowing the history of James Cameron and the way he works, Avatar 2 is the surest bet around. It won't outgross the original, but it doesn't have to.
 
Casper Gutman

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PB Watermelon said:
That's easy money. Knowing the history of James Cameron and the way he works, Avatar 2 is the surest bet around. It won't outgross the original, but it doesn't have to.
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I'm not sure that it's wise to bet too heavily on a sequel that hasn't started production almost a decade after the release of the original, and a filmmaker who hasn't made a narrative film in that time, has abandoned numerous projects, and works when he feels like it.
 
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PB Watermelon

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Casper Gutman said:
I'm not sure that it's wise to bet too heavily on a sequel that hasn't started production almost a decade after the release of the original, and a filmmaker who hasn't made a narrative film in that time, has abandoned numerous projects, and works when he feels like it.
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The sequels are in pre-pro. They start shooting in August. Took the writer's room a while to finish all the scripts. Cameron took a decade between Titanic and Avatar. Gibson took a decade between Apocalypto and Hacksaw Ridge. Didn't seem to hurt either men, they're not George Lucas.
 
danlb_2000

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PB Watermelon said:
The sequels are in pre-pro. They start shooting in August. Took the writer's room a while to finish all the scripts. Cameron took a decade between Titanic and Avatar. Gibson took a decade between Apocalypto and Hacksaw Ridge. Didn't seem to hurt either men, they're not George Lucas.
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The way these movies are made, even getting through shooting doesn't guarantee that they will ever be completed. Personally I think 2 will probably happen, but I am skeptical about 3, 4 and 5.
 
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PB Watermelon

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danlb_2000 said:
The way these movies are made, even getting through shooting doesn't guarantee that they will ever be completed. Personally I think 2 will probably happen, but I am skeptical about 3, 4 and 5.
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Aren't they shooting 2, 3, and 4 concurrently? I know the scripts for those are finished, don't know about Avatar 5.

Cameron had this to say about a month ago:

“What people have to understand is that this is a cadence of releases. So, we’re not making ‘Avatar 2,’ we’re making ‘Avatar 2,’ ‘3,’ ‘4,’ and ‘5.’ It’s an epic undertaking. It’s not unlike building the Three Gorges dam.”

The filmmaker said the movies will consume the next eight years of his life.

“So I know where I’m going to be for the next eight years of my life,” he added. “It’s not an unreasonable time frame if you think about it. It took us four-and-a-half years to make one movie and now we’re making four. We’re full tilt boogie right now. This is my day job and pretty soon we’ll be 24/7. We’re pretty well designed on all our creatures and sets. It’s pretty exciting stuff."

-- Variety 3/10/17
 
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danlb_2000

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PB Watermelon said:
Aren't they shooting 2, 3, and 4 concurrently? I know the scripts for those are finished, don't know about Avatar 5.

Cameron had this to say about a month ago:

“What people have to understand is that this is a cadence of releases. So, we’re not making ‘Avatar 2,’ we’re making ‘Avatar 2,’ ‘3,’ ‘4,’ and ‘5.’ It’s an epic undertaking. It’s not unlike building the Three Gorges dam.”

The filmmaker said the movies will consume the next eight years of his life.

“So I know where I’m going to be for the next eight years of my life,” he added. “It’s not an unreasonable time frame if you think about it. It took us four-and-a-half years to make one movie and now we’re making four. We’re full tilt boogie right now. This is my day job and pretty soon we’ll be 24/7. We’re pretty well designed on all our creatures and sets. It’s pretty exciting stuff."

-- Variety 3/10/17
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What get's shot is really irrelevant in this case to what get's released since 95% of the work on these movies is in post production since they are almost all CGI.
 
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PB Watermelon

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danlb_2000 said:
What get's shot is really irrelevant in this case to what get's released since 95% of the work on these movies is in post production since they are almost all CGI.
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It's not irrelevant, it's the performances -- some human, some mo-cap. Sigourney is back and so is Stephen Lang, even though they both bought the farm in Avatar. Yeah, all the post work is going to take forever - Spielberg shot Tintin in just a few weeks, it took over a year and a half to do all the rendering and backgrounds and animation.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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PB Watermelon said:
It's not irrelevant, it's the performances -- some human, some mo-cap. Sigourney is back and so is Stephen Lang, even though they both bought the farm in Avatar. Yeah, all the post work is going to take forever - Spielberg shot Tintin in just a few weeks, it took over a year and a half to do all the rendering and backgrounds and animation.
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My point is, if 95% of the work was done during filming then it's not really economical to can the film and not release it. When 95% of the work is still left to be done there is little to loose by not releasing.
 
Casper Gutman

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twebber55 said:
you wanna wager whether or not avatar 2 gets made?
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Look, I think Avatar probably gets made simply because I think Cameron is still one of the top directors in the business and can pretty much get what he wants done.

But I'd also say - all this nebulous "filming will start" and floating release dates? It sounds a lot like True Lies 2 and Battle Angel Alita.

Further complicating the picture is the fact that any half-decent studio exec who looks at Avatar 2 will think of Through the Looking Glass - after all, Alice in Wonderland came out a few months after Avatar, the first film to follow in that blockbuster's 3-D footsteps, and despite unpleasant character designs and a weak story it crossed a billion at the box office thanks to the tech. It was really Alice that affirmed that Avatar's success wasn't a fluke and the 3-D movement was going to stick around. And then Through the Looking Glass came out last year and was a legendary bomb, in large part because 3-D isn't novel enough to drive folks to a film on its own anymore. And then you look at Avatar... with it's character designs and story... And as much as they might want to put out a Cameron film, you have to wonder if anyone in Hollywood is all that invested in the project.
 
truecoat

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Casper Gutman said:
Look, I think Avatar probably gets made simply because I think Cameron is still one of the top directors in the business and can pretty much get what he wants done.

But I'd also say - all this nebulous "filming will start" and floating release dates? It sounds a lot like True Lies 2 and Battle Angel Alita.

Further complicating the picture is the fact that any half-decent studio exec who looks at Avatar 2 will think of Through the Looking Glass - after all, Alice in Wonderland came out a few months after Avatar, the first film to follow in that blockbuster's 3-D footsteps, and despite unpleasant character designs and a weak story it crossed a billion at the box office thanks to the tech. It was really Alice that affirmed that Avatar's success wasn't a fluke and the 3-D movement was going to stick around. And then Through the Looking Glass came out last year and was a legendary bomb, in large part because 3-D isn't novel enough to drive folks to a film on its own anymore. And then you look at Avatar... with it's character designs and story... And as much as they might want to put out a Cameron film, you have to wonder if anyone in Hollywood is all that invested in the project.
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Alice might have failed due to Deppitis or the fact that it wasn't very good. Rotten Tomatoes gave the original a pretty bad 52% but the sequel sits at 30%. Avatar's rating was a solid 83% and Cameron's other films are equally high. Alice was also released in May against heavy competition with X-men released the same day and Captain America Civil War still in theaters.

We'll see the Avatar sequels unless something happens to Jim Cameron.
 

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