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Professortango1

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Exactly, there really doesn't have to be some mental gymnastics to it "fitting", its a theme park just create whatever is needed to transition from one to the other.
So, moving towards the amusement parks that Walt wanted to move away from? Just random facades and attractions placed wherever they physically fit, even if they didn't support the storytelling.

There's a reason Galaxy's Edge is hidden and has long transitions.
 

Disney Irish

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So, moving towards the amusement parks that Walt wanted to move away from? Just random facades and attractions placed wherever they physically fit, even if they didn't support the storytelling.

There's a reason Galaxy's Edge is hidden and has long transitions.
Actually no that is not what I meant.

The point was that one doesn't have to do some type of huge mental gymnastics to make something fit. If you wave your hand and say x it can fit, just like GE fits in DL because Disney says so not because it had to fit some theme of the Park. But this is why moving away from the "California" theme ultimately makes the most sense as it doesn't limit them to forcing something to fit the "California" theme. They can then tell whatever story they want in any of the lands based on the theme of the land rather than trying to fit this vague theme of "California".

Honestly we're never going to see eye-to-eye on this anyways. Disney is going to do whatever they are going to do whether any of us here like it or not.
 

britain

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So, moving towards the amusement parks that Walt wanted to move away from? Just random facades and attractions placed wherever they physically fit, even if they didn't support the storytelling.

There's a reason Galaxy's Edge is hidden and has long transitions.

I hear your point, but DL is home to dozens of charming places where one themed area steps on the toes of adjoining themed areas, and because the designers knew how to make those clashes harmonious and pleasant, it works.
 

Professortango1

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I hear your point, but DL is home to dozens of charming places where one themed area steps on the toes of adjoining themed areas, and because the designers knew how to make those clashes harmonious and pleasant, it works.
They still transition though. Look at the building that acts as a transition between Adventureland with Bazar and Bengal BBQ, to a more Carribean look, to NOS architecture with River Belle Terrace, to western with Stage Door Cafe and Golden Horeshoe. They all naturally transition. Its hard to have a 1930's LA street naturally transition to lush alien planet with very little room to do so.

Plus, there IS still the overall theme of the park. Until Disney dumps the California aspect and figures out what to do with Grizzly Peak, that will forever be the square whole that they are always trying shove a round peg into.
 

mickEblu

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They still transition though. Look at the building that acts as a transition between Adventureland with Bazar and Bengal BBQ, to a more Carribean look, to NOS architecture with River Belle Terrace, to western with Stage Door Cafe and Golden Horeshoe. They all naturally transition. Its hard to have a 1930's LA street naturally transition to lush alien planet with very little room to do so.

Plus, there IS still the overall theme of the park. Until Disney dumps the California aspect and figures out what to do with Grizzly Peak, that will forever be the square whole that they are always trying shove a round peg into.

TOT to Bugs Land worked fine IMO. Now just imagine a bigger Bugs Land entrance to the backlot.

I think the issue is that modern imagineerings new hyper real/ ultra immersive way of doing things has some thinking that something like this is unacceptable when it’s something that used to be done all the time. I understand that Disneyland was designed with the hub and some model but you’re basically stepping from Main Street to Adventureland. I view the hub as an extension of Main Street. I mean technically it’s part of Main Street on the map anyway.
 
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Disney Irish

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They still transition though. Look at the building that acts as a transition between Adventureland with Bazar and Bengal BBQ, to a more Carribean look, to NOS architecture with River Belle Terrace, to western with Stage Door Cafe and Golden Horeshoe. They all naturally transition. Its hard to have a 1930's LA street naturally transition to lush alien planet with very little room to do so.

Plus, there IS still the overall theme of the park. Until Disney dumps the California aspect and figures out what to do with Grizzly Peak, that will forever be the square whole that they are always trying shove a round peg into.
Plop a big "Stargate" looking portal at the entrance and say that RDA invented it and built it in California as a quick way to get to Pandora. It really doesn't have to be that complex. And honestly its only fans such as yourself on sites like this that really care anyways. Regular guests aren't going to care that they go from a 1930s LA street to Pandora.
 

Professortango1

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Plop a big "Stargate" looking portal at the entrance and say that RDA invented it and built it in California as a quick way to get to Pandora. It really doesn't have to be that complex. And honestly its only fans such as yourself on sites like this that really care anyways. Regular guests aren't going to care that they go from a 1930s LA street to Pandora.
What does RDA have to do with California/Hollywood? Why would there be a portal right there?

It would be like adding the Iron Man Flight simulator and show building where Aladdin's Oasis is. Sure, Iron Man could be classified as an adventure film, but a modern sci-fi building in the heart of Adventureland would seem weird. As would an alien world right next to The Hyperion,
 

Disney Irish

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What does RDA have to do with California/Hollywood? Why would there be a portal right there?

It would be like adding the Iron Man Flight simulator and show building where Aladdin's Oasis is. Sure, Iron Man could be classified as an adventure film, but a modern sci-fi building in the heart of Adventureland would seem weird. As would an alien world right next to The Hyperion,
You can come up with any number of stories. For example RDA found that there was a perfect temporal condition in California near Hollywood for the portal to Pandora and setup a site. Or if you want to make it meta specific to DCA, you can say that they found this temporal location in DCA for the portal. Or the path from BVS toward Pandora leads to a different location in California like further north closer to Silicon Valley where this temporal condition happens. Or any number of things that can be thought up in 30 seconds to have it "fit" that 99.9% of guests aren't going to care about anyways.
 

Professortango1

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They can call it Disney Cinematic Adventure and still keep the DCA acronym. That is basically what the Park is becoming, an adventure through the worlds of Disney movies.
They would still need to retheme Grizzly Peak since that whole area isn't tied to any IP or Franchise like the rest of the park. That's why I am all for turning Grizzly Peak into Pandora. Would I rather have the original goal of DCA? Yes. 100%. But since Disney has given up on that goal, then they just need to make Grizzly Peak fit the park they have now; a quasi-California-themed dumping ground for IPs.
 

britain

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They would still need to retheme Grizzly Peak since that whole area isn't tied to any IP or Franchise like the rest of the park. That's why I am all for turning Grizzly Peak into Pandora. Would I rather have the original goal of DCA? Yes. 100%. But since Disney has given up on that goal, then they just need to make Grizzly Peak fit the park they have now; a quasi-California-themed dumping ground for IPs.
I would rather have grizzly peak as it is, perfect and beautiful, be an exception inside a movies park, than have the “purity” of a movies-only theme.
 

Disney Analyst

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I don't actually know if the name needs to change. They changed the meaning behind the name long ago.

It's Disney California Adventure, no longer Disney's California Adventure.


It's a park of Adventure, Disney adventures, in California.

They may draw some inspiration from California for theming and such, but it's simply a Disney park, in California.
 

celluloid

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I don't actually know if the name needs to change. They changed the meaning behind the name long ago.

It's Disney California Adventure, no longer Disney's California Adventure.


It's a park of Adventure, Disney adventures, in California.

They may draw some inspiration from California for theming and such, but it's simply a Disney park, in California.

Man. That makes IOA seem even more like a masterpiece and Disney even further creatively bankrupt.

Islands of Adventure had the theme of adventures of a variety of properties. But most (all pre potter) were linked with nautical touches or facing/being an island or dealing with the water.

That being said. Rebranding a theme park name is not cheap and takes efforts. MGM to Hollywood Studios was a circumstance where that partnership was not relevant and would cause cost.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They would still need to retheme Grizzly Peak since that whole area isn't tied to any IP or Franchise like the rest of the park. That's why I am all for turning Grizzly Peak into Pandora. Would I rather have the original goal of DCA? Yes. 100%. But since Disney has given up on that goal, then they just need to make Grizzly Peak fit the park they have now; a quasi-California-themed dumping ground for IPs.
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced an overhaul of DCA in general for the 25th as part of the DLForward project in a couple years. And use that opportunity to retheme the areas previously not IPified such as Grizzly Peak.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Man. That makes IOA seem even more like a masterpiece and Disney even further creatively bankrupt.

Islands of Adventure had the theme of adventures of a variety of properties. But most (all pre potter) were linked with nautical touches or facing/being an island or dealing with the water.

That being said. Rebranding a theme park name is not cheap and takes efforts. MGM to Hollywood Studios was a circumstance where that partnership was not relevant and would cause cost.
Rebranding in this case wouldn't be very expensive at all though, its just a name change. They've pretty much rebranded DCA as it is with all the changes they've made over the last 5-7 years. If they changed the name its really just the merch and maps that need to change, cheap by comparison.
 

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