AT&T Becomes The Official Wireless Provider For U.S. Disney Parks

luv

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When my iPhone had AT&T, I dropped a lot of calls. They were completely unhelpful until Verizon was released on iPhone, at which point AT&T wanted to give me a free booster thing for the house. Too little, too late. I switched to Verizon. Not switching back.

I hope they do a better job for Disney than they did for me.
 

PhotoDave219

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I'm at Epcot. I can connect to wifi but it's overloaded. Woefully.

I honestly don't care what people are saying about network Infastructure and their excuses as to why it's not possible to fix this problem.

It totally is. It's all on whether Disney is willing to spend the money.
 

wdwmagic

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I'm at Epcot. I can connect to wifi but it's overloaded. Woefully.

I honestly don't care what people are saying about network Infastructure and their excuses as to why it's not possible to fix this problem.

It totally is. It's all on whether Disney is willing to spend the money.
There is genuinely a realization that with current technology, at any price, they cannot supply enough wifi capacity.
 

flynnibus

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There is genuinely a realization that with current technology, at any price, they cannot supply enough wifi capacity.


Yeah, but kind of a late realization to have AFTER putting all your eggs in the 'everyone has mobile IP' basket tho don't you think? It would be one thing if it were a value added service.. but I think they reached a bit too far into the core experience of the park.

We shall see... I think what they could control is making a hyper responsive, lightweight application to do all this.. making the requirements on the quality of network lower. But they haven't seemed to focus that way.
 

wdwmagic

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Yeah, but kind of a late realization to have AFTER putting all your eggs in the 'everyone has mobile IP' basket tho don't you think? It would be one thing if it were a value added service.. but I think they reached a bit too far into the core experience of the park.

We shall see... I think what they could control is making a hyper responsive, lightweight application to do all this.. making the requirements on the quality of network lower. But they haven't seemed to focus that way.
Yes definitely. None of the My Disney Experience site or app seems to be quick, even in the most ideal of circumstances. There are certainly some things that could be done there.

It is interesting that the biggest hurdle to this whole MyMagic+ working really well seems to be data capacity over the air.
 

wdwmagic

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Yeah, but kind of a late realization to have AFTER putting all your eggs in the 'everyone has mobile IP' basket tho don't you think?

On the other hand, many massively successful online services have been launched when the network infrastructure was not really there to deliver it. I'm thinking of how unlikely it seemed that HD video could be reliably streamed, or the abandoning of physical distribution of video/software in favor of downloads. These services were running when the vast majority did not have the bandwidth to properly use them. Those needs did push the networks to improve, and I think part of this is what we are seeing now with AT&T. Of course, it will make things difficult early on, but not very far into the future we will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
 

meyeet

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On the other hand, many massively successful online services have been launched when the network infrastructure was not really there to deliver it. I'm thinking of how unlikely it seemed that HD video could be reliably streamed, or the abandoning of physical distribution of video/software in favor of downloads. These services were running when the vast majority did not have the bandwidth to properly use them. Those needs did push the networks to improve, and I think part of this is what we are seeing now with AT&T. Of course, it will make things difficult early on, but not very far into the future we will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
Anyone remember trying to dial into AOL when they went from a pay per minute system to unlimited minutes? So many busy signals and so upset when somebody would call in and bump the modem connection off. Hopefully improvements are on there way at Disney.
 

flynnibus

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On the other hand, many massively successful online services have been launched when the network infrastructure was not really there to deliver it. I'm thinking of how unlikely it seemed that HD video could be reliably streamed, or the abandoning of physical distribution of video/software in favor of downloads. These services were running when the vast majority did not have the bandwidth to properly use them. Those needs did push the networks to improve, and I think part of this is what we are seeing now with AT&T. Of course, it will make things difficult early on, but not very far into the future we will be wondering what all the fuss was about.


Basically.. the chicken vs the egg scenario. Yes, new businesses may launch before the infrastructure is there for mass adoption... but this doesn't map directly to Disney here for a few reasons

1) such rollouts are based on the concept that 'while not everyone has that access... enough do to make it viable'.. meaning they know they can't serve everyone, but they can get customers and then grow when capacity expands. Here, not everyone is a customer, but that's ok.

2) these rollouts are usually in a new medium/path.. meaning they are starting a new userbase and hope to convert other legacy users. But the legacy users still have their legacy services.

Disney's example would be more like the cable company deciding video streaming is the future.. and turning off all their broadband video transmission systems... hoping that eventually their IP networks will catch up to the demand. In the meantime, they off EVERYONE, including the legacy customer base.

This is a stark difference from creating a new space with new customers vs forced cutoffs and adoption.

Disney isn't taking this with the 'hey, if you have a smartphone we offer this perk...' strategy.. they are going 'all in' and saying this digital-centric strategy is the way you experience the parks.

If you are going to lead people into a new space that has lots of risks/growing pains.. the so called 'bleeding edge'... you need to have compelling stories to make people jump. Right now, FP+ is having a hard time selling itself as a compelling upgrade because it doesn't expand the legacy service, but forcefully tries to redefine it in ways that customers perceive as negatives.

There is also something to be said about the size of the exposure. If this goes bad, how much of your transaction is affected? Here, for Disney the scope is so ambitious the risk of failure having widespread impacts on a guest's vacation are quite high.


I'm kind of suprised they didn't put the customer satisifaction elements up front in the rollout. Imagine if wearing a band only had new experiences you could get.. without changing old. People would be far more accepting... and then you start coverting legacy systems when the technology has a bridgehead. But here, they've gone for all the operational objectives first... DRAGGING customers... rather than LURING customers. That plays a huge roll in customer perception.
 

flynnibus

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Yes definitely. None of the My Disney Experience site or app seems to be quick, even in the most ideal of circumstances. There are certainly some things that could be done there.

If I were in the war room.. that would be my path. It's the most achievable path to getting things moving. Trim back the scope and optimize like mad for network efficency. It's certainly more viable to throw a dozen or so programmers in a room for 8 weeks and see what they can achieve then trying to build out 40+sq miles :)

It is interesting that the biggest hurdle to this whole MyMagic+ working really well seems to be data capacity over the air.

It's a classic sign of inexperience honestly. Taking things for granted. Everyone is so used to wireless data now.. everyone just takes it for granted that you can get it somewhere. But many 'simple' things become massively complex when we throw scale into it.

It's like someone wanting to film in the desert... thinking 'oh we'll just use bottled water'. And overlooking the scale of the crew/cast and realizing that there isn't even enough water in the REGION to support the water demands they need. What they think is 'just a few pallets of water' turns into convoys of trucks 24/7, etc :)

Pervassiveness often breeds complatency.
 

wdwmagic

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Basically.. the chicken vs the egg scenario. Yes, new businesses may launch before the infrastructure is there for mass adoption... but this doesn't map directly to Disney here for a few reasons

1) such rollouts are based on the concept that 'while not everyone has that access... enough do to make it viable'.. meaning they know they can't serve everyone, but they can get customers and then grow when capacity expands. Here, not everyone is a customer, but that's ok.

2) these rollouts are usually in a new medium/path.. meaning they are starting a new userbase and hope to convert other legacy users. But the legacy users still have their legacy services.

Disney's example would be more like the cable company deciding video streaming is the future.. and turning off all their broadband video transmission systems... hoping that eventually their IP networks will catch up to the demand. In the meantime, they off EVERYONE, including the legacy customer base.

This is a stark difference from creating a new space with new customers vs forced cutoffs and adoption.

Disney isn't taking this with the 'hey, if you have a smartphone we offer this perk...' strategy.. they are going 'all in' and saying this digital-centric strategy is the way you experience the parks.

I do think that they consider the in-park hardwired options (kiosks and service centers) to be their get out of jail card. This still represents an improvement on what was there before - no more marching all over the park to pickup a FP - especially if they deploy a lot of these - which it looks like they are doing. I believe they can limp through with this until over-the-air is stable.
 

flynnibus

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I believe they can limp through with this until over-the-air is stable.

For someone like me.. I think so too. But I don't lump myself into the honey-boo-boo entitlement population either that expect the world to bend to them. I think Disney stands to alienate a lot of their core audience. This is what ties back into my comment about Disney going too far into the core experience with this.

10 years from now.. do we look back at this time with a 'what if...' if things were done differently? If anything, they are certainly being bold with what they hold to achieve... they just haven't been that impressive with their methodology. That in turn shakes people's faith in their ability to get it done.

But after all of that.. I don't find anything wrong at all with deals to boost cell network capacity in the parks. Bring it!! :D
 

PhotoDave219

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I do think that they consider the in-park hardwired options (kiosks and service centers) to be their get out of jail card. This still represents an improvement on what was there before - no more marching all over the park to pickup a FP - especially if they deploy a lot of these - which it looks like they are doing. I believe they can limp through with this until over-the-air is stable.

I still think they've woefully underestimated the Infastructure required for this project
 

donsullivan

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The whole GSM argument is about the last generation of phones anyway.


Not a completely accurate statement. Even my current AT&T iPhone 5 which uses LTE for data still uses GSM technology for voice traffic and if I'm on a voice call drops back to GSM tech for data.

There is no widely deployed voice over LTE technology. Some Android phones add additional antenna so you can be on a GSM call and use LTE for data at the same time but even in that case (at least on AT&T) you are still using GSM tech for the voice portion of the session.
 

wdwmagic

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The problem with AT&T's 4G network is that is mostly based on an updated version of HSPA+, which is approx 3X slower than LTE. If they are truly throwing LTE coverage into the parks, it might not be so bad.
AT&T have nearly 100% LTE coverage of the parks, and a good chunk of the Central Florida area. So they are already in a good position at Walt Disney World.
 

dreamfinder

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Instead of partnering with one provider and calling them the official provider, why not make agreements with the major ones so they can let the majority of guests enjoy better service?? This obviously excludes a lot of guests, for instance - I have Verizon and I love them.

Cash Money.

It may very well go beyond the guest facing cellular networks. AT&T could be offering them discounts on their employee wireless plans, free hardware, bundling with possible discounts on land lines for office use, and heck, even throw in audio conferencing discounts. When a wireless provider wants your business, the big 3 all still have ties to land line and other telecom areas that they can "package" together to provide an attractive bundle. Knowing the types of discounts that surface for a contract of only a few hundred lines, I'd love to see what strings they pull for a contract that involves tens of thousands of devices. It could very well stretch into Disney corporate, and not just WDW. Anyone know if their corporate wireless contract was up for renewal recently????
 

mkt

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Speaking as a European, It'd be an extremely rare beast that couldn't roam on AT&T. CDMA on the other hand is useless for us.


From my trips to Europe, I've seen plenty of quad-band smartphones on the streets which would work on AT&T. But if you have a cheaper phone, it may not work on the other side of the Atlantic.
 

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