Ariel's Undersea Adventure to be a submarine ride?

TP2000

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And since it's an omnimover, it never stops moving. So in theory, the line should always be moving, unless there is some kind of pre-show that they plan to corral people into in groups like at HM.

The line at the California Adventure version will never stop moving because they aren't doing Fastpass there. (Disneyland management is not as big of a fan of Fastpass as WDW management is. Very few Fastpass rides left at Disneyland, and when new stuff gets built like Toy Story Midway Mania or Little Mermaid, they don't include Fastpass with it.)

The Standby line at the Magic Kingdom version will stop moving repeatedly because they are offering Fastpass there. You'll need to get a Fastpass at the Magic Kingdom version of Little Mermaid.
 

MotherOfBirds

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That irks me. If the line is kept moving, then there is no need at all for a Fastpass in the first place. That's the reason that PPF is so ridiculously long despite the fact that the ride vehicle never cease moving.
 

Sumshine 904

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The line at the California Adventure version will never stop moving because they aren't doing Fastpass there. (Disneyland management is not as big of a fan of Fastpass as WDW management is. Very few Fastpass rides left at Disneyland, and when new stuff gets built like Toy Story Midway Mania or Little Mermaid, they don't include Fastpass with it.)

The Standby line at the Magic Kingdom version will stop moving repeatedly because they are offering Fastpass there. You'll need to get a Fastpass at the Magic Kingdom version of Little Mermaid.

They actually stop the rides so they can switch from standby to Fastpass? That's bogus. I never noticed or was aware of that. :fork:
 

SeaCastle

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They actually stop the rides so they can switch from standby to Fastpass? That's bogus. I never noticed or was aware of that. :fork:

They don't stop the ride, they stop the flow of guests entering through the standby line. Thus, standby guests enter the ride in spurts, not a continuous stream.
 

RSoxNo1

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And since it's an omnimover, it never stops moving. So in theory, the line should always be moving, unless there is some kind of pre-show that they plan to corral people into in groups like at HM.

The line at the California Adventure version will never stop moving because they aren't doing Fastpass there. (Disneyland management is not as big of a fan of Fastpass as WDW management is. Very few Fastpass rides left at Disneyland, and when new stuff gets built like Toy Story Midway Mania or Little Mermaid, they don't include Fastpass with it.)

The Standby line at the Magic Kingdom version will stop moving repeatedly because they are offering Fastpass there. You'll need to get a Fastpass at the Magic Kingdom version of Little Mermaid.

That irks me. If the line is kept moving, then there is no need at all for a Fastpass in the first place. That's the reason that PPF is so ridiculously long despite the fact that the ride vehicle never cease moving.

An omni mover means that a new vehicle is dispatched ever 2-3 seconds or so. The chain of vehicles is steady (save the occasional interruption for a wheelchair or other issue). Having said that, it does not guarantee that line will always be moving. Sure, if people all walked at the same speed it took to load everyone in the vehicles, then yes the line would be continuously moving, but that's simply not the case.

Add in Fastpass, and there is a merge point for the standby and fastpass queues. Both Fastpass and Standby can be stopped at this merge point. Once guests get past this merge point, they would enter this area where the line could theoretically be continuously moving (but again, not really).

The benefit of an omnimover is it's large capacity, this is a function of the fact that it is continously moving. However there are attractions that are not omnimovers, but have a larger capacity than omnimovers (Kilimanajaro Safaris is a great example). The need for Fastpass is predicated more on demand vs. capacity as opposed to the ride system. I expect that the newest attraction (Little Mermaid) in the most popular theme park in the world (WDW's Magic Kingdom) will generate a higher demand than the same attraction (Little Mermaid) in a park that has 25-30% of the attendance (DCA).

The capacity of the attraction in DCA will be the same as it is in MK, but the demand will be substantially higher in the MK. As such, the MK version should require Fastpass moreso than the DCA counterpart.

As for Disneyland's preference towards not using Fastpass, I think it is a function of space (queues with both a Fastpass and Standby queue take up more space than a standard Standby queue) as well as necessity. Disneyland certainly uses Fastpass on attractions where it is necessary, and I think the best approach is to have some attractions as seasonal Fastpass attractions (like Haunted Mansion in Disneyland).
 

TP2000

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I expect that the newest attraction (Little Mermaid) in the most popular theme park in the world (WDW's Magic Kingdom) will generate a higher demand than the same attraction (Little Mermaid) in a park that has 25-30% of the attendance (DCA).

The capacity of the attraction in DCA will be the same as it is in MK, but the demand will be substantially higher in the MK. As such, the MK version should require Fastpass moreso than the DCA counterpart.

Great summary! But a minor point of correction, as the difference between Magic Kingdom attendance and DCA attendance is not quite as dramatic as DCA having just 25% of the Magic Kingdom's number.

According to the widely accepted TEA reports, in 2009 (the last year currently available) Magic Kingdom had 17.2 Million and DCA had 6 Million in attendance. 2010 saw that number stagnate if not slip slightly for Magic Kingdom, and rise strongly for DCA (the 20% figure has been mentioned online from trusty sources) with World of Color's debut and continued strong attendance growth next door at Disneyland. Using that continued trend in 2011, it would seem to be a conservative estimate to peg 2011's attendance at;

2011 Projected Attendance
Magic Kingdom - 17 Million
DCA - 7.5 Million


That gets you to a DCA figure about 40% to 45% of Magic Kingdom's attendance. But I have a hunch that regardless of percentages the line for Little Mermaid at DCA five months from now will be very long, even with that 2,000+ riders per hour Omnimover cranking them through. :lol:
 

RSoxNo1

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Great summary! But a minor point of correction, as the difference between Magic Kingdom attendance and DCA attendance is not quite as dramatic as DCA having just 25% of the Magic Kingdom's number.

According to the widely accepted TEA reports, in 2009 (the last year currently available) Magic Kingdom had 17.2 Million and DCA had 6 Million in attendance. 2010 saw that number stagnate if not slip slightly for Magic Kingdom, and rise strongly for DCA (the 20% figure has been mentioned online from trusty sources) with World of Color's debut and continued strong attendance growth next door at Disneyland. Using that continued trend in 2011, it would seem to be a conservative estimate to peg 2011's attendance at;

2011 Projected Attendance
Magic Kingdom - 17 Million
DCA - 7.5 Million


That gets you to a DCA figure about 40% to 45% of Magic Kingdom's attendance. But I have a hunch that regardless of percentages the line for Little Mermaid at DCA five months from now will be very long, even with that 2,000+ riders per hour Omnimover cranking them through. :lol:

You're absolutely right. I had the TEA #s in front of me when I wrote that too. I just looked at IOA instead of DCA. Having said that, the overwhelming point still exists. While it's safe to assume that a larger percentage of those guests that are visiting DCA will be visiting the Little Mermaid attraction, the total # of guests that want to visit the Little Mermaid will still be substantially higher at the Magic Kingdom.
 

twinnstar

Active Member
Oh, poo. I really hope TLM attraction is longer than 6 mins. When I really think about it, all of my favorite rides at WDW and DL are the long, immersive ones.

I went on the Nemo ride at DL first, and I was just so happy to have the submarines back, like someone else said also, and i liked the whole "idea", but i got bored kinda fast. I do think, if I was a kid though, it would have held my attention. I didnt like the way the characters looked, eh, I dunno. But Epcot's was weird cause it was too short, seemed unfinished...but then I LOVED the very very very end (id be more specific but I have the worst memory lol). I think if both of those rides could have utilized the way they showed the characters at the end, I would have loved them both a lot more.

But anywho. I hope TLM is more like Haunted Mansion/Pirates/Spash Mountain, and less like both Nemo rides in every way!
 

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