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[correcaminos]

Such a terrible tragedy. I really, really, really hope she didn't ride something that maybe she shouldn't have. I suppose the only rides there that would have the "expectant mothers shouldn't ride" signs would be FOP, Everest, and Dinosaur wouldn't it? I just hope like crazy something like that didn't initiate an incident. Just an awful situation and my heart goes out to her family for sure.

I find this post a little disturbing - like we're already trying to blame the woman herself. Pregnant bodies are not that delicate. You can do quite a lot while pregnant and the rides are more for the safety of the unborn baby than the woman who is pregnant. The safari ride, Kali River, and Primeval Whirl also have the warnings and again it's for the safety of the baby (jarring rides can cause placental abruption). Likely if something happened to the woman it was just bad luck to to speak and not something ride induced.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

I find this post a little disturbing - like we're already trying to blame the woman herself. Pregnant bodies are not that delicate. You can do quite a lot while pregnant and the rides are more for the safety of the unborn baby than the woman who is pregnant. The safari ride, Kali River, and Primeval Whirl also have the warnings and again it's for the safety of the baby (jarring rides can cause placental abruption). Likely if something happened to the woman it was just bad luck to to speak and not something ride induced.

A traumatic injury to the baby or placenta in utero could cause harm to both baby and mother. In theory a thrill ride could potentially induce preeclampsia as well. I’m sure that’s never been documented, but if blood pressures were elevated enough it could occur.

Regardless, this is tragic. Seeing something like this happen at Disney makes it hurt more than normal.

 

[correcaminos]

A traumatic injury to the baby or placenta in utero could cause harm to both baby and mother. In theory a thrill ride could potentially induce preeclampsia as well. I’m sure that’s never been documented, but if blood pressures were elevated enough it could occur.

Regardless, this is tragic. Seeing something like this happen at Disney makes it hurt more than normal.

It's not been documented though. Actually none of it has, but that's the risk was harm to the baby more than anything else per my OB. I know your username implies you're a student, but I'm giving jnfo my actual doctor (OB) told me.

Plus my point was victim blaming was tasteless. I really don't care to start a medical debate which I've stupidly seen happen.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

It's not been documented though. Actually none of it has, but that's the risk was harm to the baby more than anything else per my OB. I know your username implies you're a student, but I'm giving jnfo my actual doctor (OB) told me.

Plus my point was victim blaming was tasteless. I really don't care to start a medical debate which I've stupidly seen happen.

I agree, a medical debate is pointless. That being said, don't share medical advice on the internet and not expect any scrutiny. For the sake of knowledge, placental abruption can cause severe hemorrhage to the woman.

The person you replied to wasn't "victim blaming." Quite the opposite. S/he said "I just hope like crazy something like that didn't initiate an incident." Suggesting a potential cause and victim blaming are totally separate entities.

 

[correcaminos]

I agree, a medical debate is pointless. That being said, don't share medical advice on the internet and not expect any scrutiny. For the sake of knowledge, placental abruption can cause severe hemorrhage to the woman.

The person you replied to wasn't "victim blaming." Quite the opposite. S/he said "I just hope like crazy something like that didn't initiate an incident." Suggesting a potential cause and victim blaming are totally separate entities.

Bringing it up was tasteless IMO. My opinion on that as it didn't needed to be said or implied it was the reportedly dead mother's fault.

again not here for medical discussion. As an FYI don't assume people are uneducated on a medical condition. Some of us might have more personal experiences than you think.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

I find this post a little disturbing - like we're already trying to blame the woman herself. Pregnant bodies are not that delicate. You can do quite a lot while pregnant and the rides are more for the safety of the unborn baby than the woman who is pregnant. The safari ride, Kali River, and Primeval Whirl also have the warnings and again it's for the safety of the baby (jarring rides can cause placental abruption). Likely if something happened to the woman it was just bad luck to to speak and not something ride induced.

I'm not "blaming" anybody. I'm just saying that I hope it wasn't triggered by something so benign like a ride. When we first found out we were expecting we had just got home from Disneyworld and the first thing I thought of was that I hoped it didn't do anything to the baby with us riding Space Mountain and Aerosmith and Everest a lot on that trip. The bleeding heart virtue signalling is actually what's much more disturbing. We all know you're a good person. You don't have to try so hard.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

Bringing it up was tasteless IMO

again not here for medical discussion. As an FYI don't assume people are uneducated on a medical condition. Some of us might have more personal experiences than you think.

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

I made no assumptions. Everyone has anecdotal medical education. While your OB spoke with you about the potential risks to your baby, she may not have shared that a placental abruption can cause pretty severe bleeding to the mom as well, hence your lack of sharing that major detail. I figured I would complete the picture for you.

 

[correcaminos]

I'm not "blaming" anybody. I'm just saying that I hope it wasn't triggered by something so benign like a ride. When we first found out we were expecting we had just got home from Disneyworld and the first thing I thought of was that I hoped it didn't do anything to the baby with us riding Space Mountain and Aerosmith and Everest a lot on that trip. The bleeding heart virtue signalling is actually what's much more disturbing. We all know you're a good person. You don't have to try so hard.

Not sure I follow what you are saying at the end. I don't want to attack or the like, I just felt uncomfortable with the way you worded it above. Sorry I read it incorrectly.

 

[correcaminos]

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

I made no assumptions. Everyone has anecdotal medical education. While your OB spoke with you about the potential risks to your baby, she may not have shared that a placental abruption can cause pretty severe bleeding to the mom as well, hence your lack of sharing that major detail. I figured I would complete the picture for you.

please stop assuming that this was all just talking and that doctors don't explain. I don't need a picture from a student, thank you.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

please stop assuming that this was all just talking and that doctors don't explain. I don't need a picture from a student, thank you.

Are you a doctor? How'd you get such incomplete information?

Also, saying "thank you" at the end of your post won't end the discussion. I don't understand the idea that saying that will all of a sudden get me to shut up.

 

[correcaminos]

Are you a doctor? How'd you get such incomplete information?

Also, saying "thank you" at the end of your post won't end the discussion. I don't understand the idea that saying that will all of a sudden get me to shut up.

I was trying to be nice honestly. I hope you have a good day

 

[DisneyDoctor]

I was trying to be nice honestly. I hope you have a good day

Lol you too, I hope you have a good day too.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

I made no assumptions. Everyone has anecdotal medical education. While your OB spoke with you about the potential risks to your baby, she may not have shared that a placental abruption can cause pretty severe bleeding to the mom as well, hence your lack of sharing that major detail. I figured I would complete the picture for you.

I saw a post on another site from the witness that told the manager to call 911 and he said that the lady told someone to get help and a vacationing nurse immediately started to perform CPR but within less than a minute the woman had stopped breathing. He said they worked on her for about an hour before they were able to get her out and she was 33 weeks pregnant and it was later confirmed by a family friend online that neither the lady or the baby made it. They said apparently it was a seizure. That is just unspeakably terrible and I can't imagine how helpless it must have felt for those on the scene. Just awful.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

I saw a post on another site from the witness that told the manager to call 911 and he said that the lady told someone to get help and a vacationing nurse immediately started to perform CPR but within less than a minute the woman had stopped breathing. He said they worked on her for about an hour before they were able to get her out and she was 33 weeks pregnant and it was later confirmed by a family friend online that neither the lady or the baby made it. They said apparently it was a seizure. That is just unspeakably terrible and I can't imagine how helpless it must have felt for those on the scene. Just awful.

That's truly tragic. I can't even begin to imagine..

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

That's truly tragic. I can't even begin to imagine..

My question about it being a seizure though is that if it was a seizure would you be able to communicate to call for help? The reason I ask that is because I work with a guy that has seizures and when he has one it's literally like he just "freezes" for a second. But are there sorta different types of them that might make you react differently?

 

[DisneyDoctor]

My question about it being a seizure though is that if it was a seizure would you be able to communicate to call for help? The reason I ask that is because I work with a guy that has seizures and when he has one it's literally like he just "freezes" for a second. But are there sorta different types of them that might make you react differently?

Yes, there are different kinds of seizures. Each one is different and their effects on each person can vary as well.

She may have been epileptic, there's no way of knowing. But, seizures can be triggered by other things as well. Seizures usually don't cause death on their own, but it can happen. I'm not sure what actually caused her to pass, it could be a number of things.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I agree, a medical debate is pointless. That being said, don't share medical advice on the internet and not expect any scrutiny. For the sake of knowledge, placental abruption can cause severe hemorrhage to the woman.

The person you replied to wasn't "victim blaming." Quite the opposite. S/he said "I just hope like crazy something like that didn't initiate an incident." Suggesting a potential cause and victim blaming are totally separate entities.

The problem as I see it is that nothing a Disney is much more jarring then things pregnant women encounter on a regular basis in everyday life. There are some rides, at other places that indeed might be and of course any actual direct hit to the abdomen can cause what you are suggesting. Amniotic fluid is there for a reason and that is to cushion and protect the unborn from direct trauma. It is a block and a shock absorber.

Moot point actually, since we don't know what happen, many things can and do happen during a pregnancy that cause fluctuations in blood pressure. Also some previously unknown preexisting condition can show up during that time as well. So whatever the situation was it is a shame and so sad if it did end up as a fatality. If so, no matter the reason, it is a tragic thing to happen anywhere, not just at Disney.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

The problem as I see it is that nothing a Disney is much more jarring then things pregnant women encounter on a regular basis in everyday life. There are some rides, at other places that indeed might be and of course any actual direct hit to the abdomen can cause what you are suggesting. Amniotic fluid is there for a reason and that is to cushion and protect the unborn from direct trauma. It is a block and a shock absorber.

Moot point actually, since we don't know what happen, many things can and do happen during a pregnancy that cause fluctuations in blood pressure. Also some previously unknown preexisting condition can show up during that time as well. So whatever the situation was it is a shame and so sad if it did end up as a fatality. If so, no matter the reason, it is a tragic thing to happen anywhere, not just at Disney.

It truly is heartbreaking. I doubt a ride had anything to do with it, but the potential is there. I think Disney puts those warnings up to cover their arses in the case of something actually happening.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

It truly is heartbreaking. I doubt a ride had anything to do with it, but the potential is there. I think Disney puts those warnings up to cover their arses in the case of something actually happening.

Yeah when you get on FOP they actually give you that little printout disclaimer thing for you to read while you are on your way up the hill to get to the actual ride. Then the CM says again about how "this ride is really intense and now's the last chance to not ride" and stuff like that right before you actually get on. I agree though that all that stuff is in place to cover Disney legally from all the sue happy people that are constantly looking for a payday. That's also why on the Mission Space ride that they now have the watered down line and the original line because of the deaths suffered after people have been on that ride as well. I personally can't ride things like that anymore because of severe motion sickness but I never felt "in danger" on them. Just in danger of losing my Chef Mickey's breakfast if you know what I mean... LOL!

 

[Goofyernmost]

It truly is heartbreaking. I doubt a ride had anything to do with it, but the potential is there. I think Disney puts those warnings up to cover their arses in the case of something actually happening.

Well, unfortunately, that is the very reason why people tend to ignore them. The idea that the lawyers decided to cover the bases makes people feel that it is an exaggeration and not worth paying attention too. I have high blood pressure and have ignored every sign there that mentioned it. Because I am on medication and my logic is that while on medication I don't have high blood pressure, it is controlled. We all justify our actions when we feel it necessary. Or are just wild and crazy and willing to take chances deciding that living life is more important then just existing in life.