DisneyNut7578
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I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen too many projects announced, then something got slashed here, something got slashed there, and it ends up not being what was it was originally intended, or approved, to be.
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Are you for Fantasyland's Expansion or not?
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wolf359
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Again, for the people these characters appeal to, which is more exciting, riding through plywood backdrops filled with animatronics or actually meeting the "real" character?
To the kids these meet and greets are aimed at, it doesn't get much more exciting than spending time interacting with a real person.
So now it's just the layout that's the problem? Not that it's girly? Not that no one is interested in them? Now you're suggesting that stuffing all these characters into one building will somehow solve the problem? Seriously?
It's pretty obvious you just don't like the Fantasyland expansion, and that's fine, but why not just pick one reason you're going to hate it no matter what and stick to it, because all the love, hate and poll results aren't actually going to have any effect on what Disney does (or doesn't) end up building.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
Its really not that many. :veryconfu
The average family may get their picture with a few characters, and thats about it. How many people besides families with little girls go out of their way to meet the princesses?
Also, a typical meet n greet line has what, 30 people in it? Usually less. The line takes forever only because the character devotes 1-2 minutes to each family. The E-Ticket attractions, on the other hand, have long lines, while being able to carry 1,000-2,000 or more people an hour.
The vast majority of guest interest is in the attractions. Not Princess meet & greets.
I'm all for more and better meet & greets, even though they don't interest me. But not when they become an excuse to not build attractions.
Because there's already a sizable castle dedicated to one princess, and the rest of them join her for breakfast, lunch and dinner...
Look, the FLE allows those little girls and their families to step out of CRT or BBB and instead of getting soaked on SM or wind-blown on BTMRR, going into a land all their own. If I can move that many people from the other lands and rides into the FLE, I'll take it in a heartbeat.
I see what you mean.
But I think a princess based land with unique rides would be better.
But hey I guess that's Kool and The Gang.
It's a tough call.
The expansion is big and poses positives and negatives. I think that in a way it is too big, takes up too much space, and the money will take from other future advancements in all 4 parks. The execs can be tight with the purse strings so I am not blaming FLE for this entirely.
However, if it is scaled down it runs the risk of being half-***ed and that may ruin the experience. And I don't want that either. I want he kids to have fun of course and the adults too, but I think I have seen too many temporary solutions fail and use up money. For example, AE to Stitch. Urgh, still irks me! And that cost much less time, money, space, and energy to do and there are more examples of "er, why did they do that?"
People and children will love it but I am thinking of the long term value it will have or not have for MK.
I would like them to shoot for more classics like they did with POTC, Space, Thunder, etc. and that seems to have fallen by the wayside.
Was the last great effort TOT and R&R and elements of AK? I wanted to say EE too because it is a favorite but the whole Yeti activity or lack of and maintenance business is ridiculous and sad.
I was so naive, I think back to how I felt when TOT was unveiled and how I foolishly thought that it meant that this was the direction they would go in for all future attractions.:hammer:
Boy, was I dumb.
Think about...say a Jonas Brothers meet and greet or when they had or if they have signings now ( yes, I know they are actual people and characters of the parks are not) but what it would be in say 20 years.
Do what Universal did not. Hogwarts castle is not fully accessible. I agree that one palace or area could be shared by all princesses ( if done spectacularly) and people can venture off to different rooms or pavillion type areas for each of the princesses on a bit of a smaller scale. It won't fail if the design is engaging and spectacular and appropriately transitional to each princess. Half-hearted attempts at this would fail and I realize that. Putting them all in one place is trickier and kids are savy, and I am aware of that. I realize a big problem would be "well, they are princesses, and they are like rich and rule a kingdom, why are they sharing living space?" Never said I had the answers!:lookaroun
Otherwise, I still feel that they are repeating what they have done already.
Isn't this what they originally wanted from Mickey's Birthday-Starland-Toon Town Fair-amacallit? And this is on a smaller scale with you would think farther reaching appeal to boys and girls and adults and with an arsenal of truly beloved characters. Well, they are still getting rid of it. And I can't comment on how busy it is or not because after many trips to WDW I haven't been to Town Fair in ages. I just heard it is getting replaced.
And unfortunately, look what happened? It just makes me think that if Town Fair is going, will the princesses survive long term too?
If Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Goofy, Donald, Daisy and countless other characters, some of their homes, some of their artifacts, a boat, a barnstormer, and shows couldn't do it, can the princesses and fairies do it better? I believe Chip and Dale, all 7 dwarves, countless other characters and happenings, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure the princesses must have passed that way and Town Fair is still a goner.
I'm not trying to disagree with people but I'm not sure. Makes me uneasy.
The expansion is big and poses positives and negatives. I think that in a way it is too big, takes up too much space, and the money will take from other future advancements in all 4 parks. The execs can be tight with the purse strings so I am not blaming FLE for this entirely.
However, if it is scaled down it runs the risk of being half-***ed and that may ruin the experience. And I don't want that either. I want he kids to have fun of course and the adults too, but I think I have seen too many temporary solutions fail and use up money. For example, AE to Stitch. Urgh, still irks me! And that cost much less time, money, space, and energy to do and there are more examples of "er, why did they do that?"
People and children will love it but I am thinking of the long term value it will have or not have for MK.
I would like them to shoot for more classics like they did with POTC, Space, Thunder, etc. and that seems to have fallen by the wayside.
Was the last great effort TOT and R&R and elements of AK? I wanted to say EE too because it is a favorite but the whole Yeti activity or lack of and maintenance business is ridiculous and sad.
I was so naive, I think back to how I felt when TOT was unveiled and how I foolishly thought that it meant that this was the direction they would go in for all future attractions.:hammer:
Boy, was I dumb.
Think about...say a Jonas Brothers meet and greet or when they had or if they have signings now ( yes, I know they are actual people and characters of the parks are not) but what it would be in say 20 years.
Do what Universal did not. Hogwarts castle is not fully accessible. I agree that one palace or area could be shared by all princesses ( if done spectacularly) and people can venture off to different rooms or pavillion type areas for each of the princesses on a bit of a smaller scale. It won't fail if the design is engaging and spectacular and appropriately transitional to each princess. Half-hearted attempts at this would fail and I realize that. Putting them all in one place is trickier and kids are savy, and I am aware of that. I realize a big problem would be "well, they are princesses, and they are like rich and rule a kingdom, why are they sharing living space?" Never said I had the answers!:lookaroun
Otherwise, I still feel that they are repeating what they have done already.
Isn't this what they originally wanted from Mickey's Birthday-Starland-Toon Town Fair-amacallit? And this is on a smaller scale with you would think farther reaching appeal to boys and girls and adults and with an arsenal of truly beloved characters. Well, they are still getting rid of it. And I can't comment on how busy it is or not because after many trips to WDW I haven't been to Town Fair in ages. I just heard it is getting replaced.
And unfortunately, look what happened? It just makes me think that if Town Fair is going, will the princesses survive long term too?
If Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Goofy, Donald, Daisy and countless other characters, some of their homes, some of their artifacts, a boat, a barnstormer, and shows couldn't do it, can the princesses and fairies do it better? I believe Chip and Dale, all 7 dwarves, countless other characters and happenings, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure the princesses must have passed that way and Town Fair is still a goner.
I'm not trying to disagree with people but I'm not sure. Makes me uneasy.
crazynakedguy
Member
at the very least it will be a nice place to walk around. I also like the idea of another sit down restraunt in the MK.
I wish they would get rid of the fairy section and put in an Alice in Wonderland part. As well as just a couple more rides in general.
But it seems the latest news is they are changing what is going to be in there. Word has instead of a couple of the sections they will add a Frontier land expansion in it and add a new Frontier land ride.
I wish they would get rid of the fairy section and put in an Alice in Wonderland part. As well as just a couple more rides in general.
But it seems the latest news is they are changing what is going to be in there. Word has instead of a couple of the sections they will add a Frontier land expansion in it and add a new Frontier land ride.
Mickey is King
New Member
maybe it is just the first part of a larger piture in store for the future of MK
Oh, yes, I think the Beauty and the Beast restaurant and the details they have given out so far is a home run. They just have to watch the food quality, I remember when the great steak debate thread was going, and offer good food. Hey, if Plaza can do it they can do it to! Plaza has wonderful food and it is more difficult to do with larger table service restaurants but not impossible.
hiddenmickey06
Member
I am sort of halfway between yes and no on this subject. I like the Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, and Dumbo concepts of the expansion. Two restaurants, a ride, and an expansion of a current, popular ride I think is absolutely awesome. But, adding Cinderella's Chateau, Aurora's cottage and Pixie Hollow is a bit much. I'm sure that they would be amazingly designed and wonderful to look at, but using up so much space just to see a character is a waste of time and money. I think that aspect was better when you could see a bunch of them in one shot at the Judge's Tent. The space could be used for something else, like an E-ticket ride, or two(fingers crossed, lol). I have a million ideas like everyone else, but I'm not gonna post them here
That's just my opinion on it though.
That's just my opinion on it though.