Are they not paying their water bill?

Nubs70

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Fountains do not require a fresh supply of water. What is in them is treated and is just recycled via pumps and then topped off to take care of evaporation or overspray. It is possible to regulate the pressure on the pumps but, it would be surprising if there was any huge difference in cost. So, maybe other reasons, I wasn't there so I cannot say. It might be something as simple as a windy day and the fountains were misting everyone near them so they lowered the spray or it might have just been an optical illusion since I doubt anyone has ever measured the height that they shoot for one trip to another. Some of the bigger fountain have periodic water shows as well, between shows thy cut down the pressure so that when the show starts it is more spectacular. Like I said, I don't know for sure, those are just thoughts. If they cut down the wasteful use of water in the restrooms (other then toilets) then raise a flag, I'm happy that it is happening.
The only savings would be if the pump is variable speed. Fountain water does need to be treated for hardness etc. Failure to condition water will result in failure of operating elements.

Water Consumption is a BS term. Unless you are chemically or molecularly changing water, you are not consuming but rather renting, leasing, or borrowing the water. Another note on water conservation and sewer systems, there is a minimum water flow required to make sewage systems operate correctly. Conserve enough water and the poo simply gets stuck in the pipe.
 

Goofyernmost

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The only savings would be if the pump is variable speed. Fountain water does need to be treated for hardness etc. Failure to condition water will result in failure of operating elements.

Water Consumption is a BS term. Unless you are chemically or molecularly changing water, you are not consuming but rather renting, leasing, or borrowing the water. Another note on water conservation and sewer systems, there is a minimum water flow required to make sewage systems operate correctly. Conserve enough water and the poo simply gets stuck in the pipe.
I'll be honest here, I'm not sure if your are trying to correct me or agreeing with me. It can't, I guess, be correcting me because you just mirrored a lot of what I said in that quote. So...Thanks? I'm not sure. If you are saying the we cannot run out of fresh water, well, I do think you might need to read up on that. It may be a theory that the planet still contains the same amount of water that it ever did, and I see the merit in that argument, however, we have rendered a lot of it non-potable and unless you do chemically change it our life cannot be sustained by it. There's plenty water in the ocean that we cannot drink without alterations and there is still a lot of water locked up in ice caps, still does us no good.
I noticed the drinking fountains, for the most part, had horrible water pressure last week
If you have ever tasted the water from those drinking fountains, you might want to send them a thank you for cutting the quantity of delivery back. :joyfull:
 

aladdin2007

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Ive mainly noticed this at Epcot, the fountains are turned off now in front of the American Adventure, the water no longer flows or is empty throughout future world east and its just dry rocks, and no more water feature in front of the Land, its all been left to rot and dried up with unkept plants. Awful.
 

luv

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Fountains do not require a fresh supply of water. What is in them is treated and is just recycled via pumps and then topped off to take care of evaporation or overspray. It is possible to regulate the pressure on the pumps but, it would be surprising if there was any huge difference in cost. So, maybe other reasons, I wasn't there so I cannot say. It might be something as simple as a windy day and the fountains were misting everyone near them so they lowered the spray or it might have just been an optical illusion since I doubt anyone has ever measured the height that they shoot for one trip to another. Some of the bigger fountain have periodic water shows as well, between shows thy cut down the pressure so that when the show starts it is more spectacular. Like I said, I don't know for sure, those are just thoughts. If they cut down the wasteful use of water in the restrooms (other then toilets) then raise a flag, I'm happy that it is happening.
I don't think they're doing it to conserve water. I think they're doing it to save money.

It is difficult to wash your hands when there is no water, or it drips or trickles.

If you're happy, I'm happy for you. :)

Me, I am a fan of running water and would appreciate more of it. I washed my hands at Epcot today and it was decent pressure. Not good, strong pressure, but a steady stream. Yay. I'm a fan of water conservation, but I'm a bigger fan of clean hands. :)
 

Magenta Panther

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My cousin, who visited WDW a couple of weeks ago, told me that the first time he got in line for the Haunted Mansion, the fans or a/c or whatever they have in the queue canopy weren't working, and it got so stifling and claustrophobic that he and his girlfriend finally got out of line and left. They went back later in the evening and experienced it (and the ride got stopped several times for wheelchair/scooter denizens. Nice. :p ) Another reason to hate that new queue, I guess... :p
 

Nubs70

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I'll be honest here, I'm not sure if your are trying to correct me or agreeing with me. It can't, I guess, be correcting me because you just mirrored a lot of what I said in that quote. So...Thanks? I'm not sure. If you are saying the we cannot run out of fresh water, well, I do think you might need to read up on that. It may be a theory that the planet still contains the same amount of water that it ever did, and I see the merit in that argument, however, we have rendered a lot of it non-potable and unless you do chemically change it our life cannot be sustained by it. There's plenty water in the ocean that we cannot drink without alterations and there is still a lot of water locked up in ice caps, still does us no good.

I am partially agreeing and adding content. As for water consumption, Disney must treat water they discharge to certain environmental standards. These discharge standards have higher standards than the retreated water they take in. If Disney were to take a garden hose and discharge potable water directly to the watershed, Disney would be cited for an environmental violation. All municipal is not naturally considered potable. The water must be treated in accordance to EPA standards to be considered potable.

I work in the paper industry and am often accused of "consuming" water. My facility takes in 17 million gallons per day of water. We also discharge 17 million gallons per day back to the river cleaner than when the water was removed. So I fail to see how we consume water.
 

John

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Conservation....laughable. Just stop....in a place where gluttony and excessiveness is not only practiced but encouraged. of course all at a price. Please just stop. It has been reported many times that the ac and water have been cut back, its not conservation....its to save money....period. Its the bottom line now a days. Am I slamming Disney for it? Nope, but please don't try and disguise it as conservation. Does it matter what Disney makes or what it cost the guest? Your darn right it does. Something like going to a nice restaurant, you expect linen napkins. Are paper ones cheaper? Ones that are made from recycled paper more eco friendly? sure, but you are paying a premium for a premium experience. Same thing about the water and ac. In Fla.
 

John

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I wonder what would happen if they had a "PANIC" button, that will flush every toilet on resort property at the same time.....


Funny you mention that, because when a new resort is built that is exactly what they do. They staff every toilet in the resort and have them flush them at the same time. How do I know this? As said my mother worked on a special crew that opened a few resorts.
 

rsoxguy

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This sounds like a random post from @rsoxguy!
I have only been to Kentucky once, and I was treated poorly, so that wasn't me.

As to the water pressure at WDW parks, I have noticed for the past several years that it is horribly weak. The pressure is stronger in some sinks, but overall the flow of water coming out of the sinks is not acceptable.
 

Bairstow

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I think WDW has it's own water system. I didn't observe any issues with water pressure in late July ( and the place was mobbed ). Sounds like they are dealing with a problem.

Most likely.
Uniform low water pressure in their system wouldn't be intentional because the difficulties caused for maintenance/food services/laundry by this would be far more expensive than any potential savings.
 

mickey2008.1

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We were there 9/11-9/18, and many water effects were turned off. LWTL outside water stream empty, Little mermaid in DHS, turned off, as well as Miss Piggy fountain. EPCOT fountain before SSE not on. Heck, even the lakes/ponds were low. The water wheel at PORS covered up and not working. I am sure there were many more, but these are the ones that popped up first in my mind.
 

THEMEPARKPIONEER

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They do shut down the fountains or lower them when theres a drought. The Fountain at the land was working great the last time I saw it. Sometimes you will see a sign that say's "because of the drout we shut off the spout". The water pressure there in general is horrible and allot of water faucets these days for sinks and showers are made to let out a small amount of water for conservation. My grandma bought a faucet and had to find a way to remove that feature.
 

CdnDznyLuvr

Active Member
On our trip 9/18-9/25 I noticed a huge deficiency in water pressure in the parks. For the most part the restroom sinks barely had enough water coming out to rinse your hands. Some of the fountains even seemed to be turned down too. The Epcot fountain at the end of the "graveyard" was barely trickling through most of the trip and even shut off on one day. Even the dancing fountains on Splash Mountain in The Laughing Place slowly diminished to non functional over five days.

Did anyone else notice any of this on recent trips? I do not remember having trouble washing my hands at all on any past trips.
We've actually noticed this on our past few trips ... some of the drinking fountains we used barely had enough water coming out to fill our water bottles easily. I didn't notice any difference with the taps in the restroom sinks though :rolleyes:
 

willtravel

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We were there 9/11-9/18, and many water effects were turned off. LWTL outside water stream empty, Little mermaid in DHS, turned off, as well as Miss Piggy fountain. EPCOT fountain before SSE not on. Heck, even the lakes/ponds were low. The water wheel at PORS covered up and not working. I am sure there were many more, but these are the ones that popped up first in my mind.
Hasn't it been raining alot down there this summer?
 

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