Are park reservations going away?

[Anteater]

Not sure I follow you. ME was in our transportation fees so we were paying it though it likely was not a big fee. When it went away we were no longer charged for that but other fees like rise in salaries hid it. If they had kept ME and just charged per person then it would have been double dipping. They never double dipped on that. In fact I am glad ME is gone. I was tired of paying for something I hated and never used as little amount as it was.

I do not recall one DVC member saying they couldn't remove a service.

But like parking they cannot charge us a nightly fee and then get us again with MFs. That's why we do not pay parking if at a DVC resort on on points.

So next time how about not being rude and laughing when you clearly are missing what I was saying.

I think you're getting what I'm saying. You WERE paying for ME and luggage. Now, you're getting neither and, yet, your DVC charges didn't go down -- at all. You're still paying for something you hated. Just now, you're not getting the service, even if you wanted it. Parking is kinda sticky; DVC is treated as partial property ownership and there's an expectation you'd have a place to park. But, many properties don't have parking (i.e. in NYC). So, they may be coming for your space at some point.

 

[correcaminos]

I think you're getting what I'm saying. You WERE paying for ME and luggage. Now, you're getting neither and, yet, your DVC charges didn't go down -- at all. You're still paying for something you hated. Just now, you're not getting the service, even if you wanted it. Parking is kinda sticky; DVC is treated as partial property ownership and there's an expectation you'd have a place to park. But, many properties don't have parking (i.e. in NYC). So, they may be coming for your space at some point.

I was paying for ME, just like every resort guest was. Now I am not. So no double dipping. You keep missing the latter.

Parking is not sticky. DVC from day one has paid for the maintenance of parking lots through maintenance fees - same thing that we pay for transportation fees. It has nothing to do with expectations but with the fact we pay for parking upkeep so they cannot charge us. I assume you are not DVC or at least haven't dug into what MFs pay for, and making guesses on how it works based on your statements.

 

[Anteater]

I was paying for ME, just like every resort guest was. Now I am not. So no double dipping. You keep missing the latter.

Resort guest were not paying for ME directly; neither were you. That money came from somewhere though. I didn't see a discount in maintenance fees nor hotel prices when it went away. So, that money went back into Disney's pocket.

WRT to Parking, I'm well aware of how it's written. They're considered part of the "common-area", per Florida law. However, they don't have to be included in future contracts.

 

[correcaminos]

Resort guest were not paying for ME directly; neither were you. That money came from somewhere though. I didn't see a discount in maintenance fees nor hotel prices when it went away. So, that money went back into Disney's pocket.

WRT to Parking, I'm well aware of how it's written. They're considered part of the "common-area", per Florida law. However, they don't have to be included in future contracts.

I don't think you are well aware or you wouldn't make the statements you are. Parking is paid for by our MFs. ME was as well. So is all of our transportation fees. If they want us to pay for parking like resort guests do, then our MFs would have to remove those fees. Those are the facts. On that note, I'm out as you seem to want to believe what you want. Once again no DVC member I know ever claimed we couldn't lose ME. In fact I was a Member before ME started and remember the gripes about having to pay for it in our transportation MFs.

 

[Anteater]

In fact I was a Member before ME started and remember the gripes about having to pay for it in our transportation MFs.

I never saw a line item in the MFs for ME. Are you stating you did?

 

[correcaminos]

I never saw a line item in the MFs for ME. Are you stating you did?

It was in our transportation line. Either you believe we got it for free or accept the fact we paid for it. So did every single resort guest. Geez, dead horse here. And waaaaaay off topic.

 

[Anteater]

It was in our transportation line. Either you believe we got it for free or accept the fact we paid for it. So did every single resort guest. Geez, dead horse here.

Nothing is for free. Did your transportation line cost go down when ME went away? Not sure why you won't answer that question. And,

 

[ToTBellHop]

DVC legally cannot be charging us for DME even though they aren’t providing the service. Maintenance fees must equal costs to run the resort and if they don’t, we are refunded (as occurred recently). So, no, DVC members are not paying for DME while not receiving the service.

Guests paying cash for rooms but not receiving DME or daily housekeeping are, of course, right to be frustrated. But I do not feel ripped off as a DVC member. Getting those extended evening hours without paying deluxe resort rack rates is actually a tremendous perk that did not formerly exist.

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

there will be a drawback in travel under non-restricted conditions and they will have to fight to keep park ressies. Just let it play out and see where we’re at?

Huh?

Im not sure I follow. What do you mean a drawback in travel?

Are you saying you think less people will travel now that there are essentially zero restrictions?

 

[mikejs78]

DVC legally cannot be charging us for DME even though they aren’t providing the service. Maintenance fees must equal costs to run the resort and if they don’t, we are refunded (as occurred recently). So, no, DVC members are not paying for DME while not receiving the service.

Guests paying cash for rooms but not receiving DME or daily housekeeping are, of course, right to be frustrated. But I do not feel ripped off as a DVC member. Getting those extended evening hours without paying deluxe resort rack rates is actually a tremendous perk that did not formerly exist.

Do you think they'll keep the evening hours after the 50th celebration ends?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Huh?

Im not sure I follow. What do you mean a drawback in travel?

Are you saying you think less people will travel now that there are essentially zero restrictions?

The well documented “cabin fever” travel surge fed by 2 years of restrictions will diminish some

 

[Anteater]

DVC legally cannot be charging us for DME even though they aren’t providing the service. Maintenance fees must equal costs to run the resort and if they don’t, we are refunded (as occurred recently). So, no, DVC members are not paying for DME while not receiving the service.

Guests paying cash for rooms but not receiving DME or daily housekeeping are, of course, right to be frustrated. But I do not feel ripped off as a DVC member. Getting those extended evening hours without paying deluxe resort rack rates is actually a tremendous perk that did not formerly exist.

This is exactly the point I was making. DVC wasn't paying for it as part of their MFs as @helenabear stated. Likely, it was considered part of some promotion expense charged against all the rentable rooms on property (i.e. hidden). I think DVC was a beneficiary of DME. And, now, they're getting the extended hours (rightfully so); it's just included in your MFs either

 

[Disstevefan1]

You already pay more for desirable days…you either get day tickets priced for the specific dates or pay a set amount for an AP based upon dates you want or need. I don’t personally see them charging an extra $20 for tickets valid a peak date and then even more to actually use the tickets. You already paid for those dates.

Disney loves to layer charges on top of charges.
When they added parking fees to the resorts, they could have bumped the rates up and kept parking free, but having them separate, they are free to make increases on both independently.

 

[correcaminos]

This is exactly the point I was making. DVC wasn't paying for it as part of their MFs as @helenabear stated. Likely, it was considered part of some promotion expense charged against all the rentable rooms on property (i.e. hidden). I think DVC was a beneficiary of DME. And, now, they're getting the extended hours (rightfully so); it's just included in your MFs either

Uh no, that's not what the poster said. It was in our transportation fees. They cannot charge us now since it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you keep dragging me into this. You're just wrong in that we didn't pay for it. We pay for everything from monorails to buses to boats. It's all in our fees. We no longer pay ME fees because it doesn't exist which is what the poster you quoted said. You may think it was free, but I assure you it was not. Just google and you will see countless discussions on ME and dues.

What goes on in parks are perks and paid not with dues. They are separate entities. I'm not sure why this is hard to understand that DVC does get charged for everything relating to resort stays

 

[Anteater]

Uh no, that's not what the poster said. It was in our transportation fees. They cannot charge us now since it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you keep dragging me into this. You're just wrong in that we didn't pay for it. We pay for everything from monorails to buses to boats. It's all in our fees. We no longer pay ME fees because it doesn't exist which is what the poster you quoted said. You may think it was free, but I assure you it was not. Just google and you will see countless discussions on ME and dues.

What goes on in parks are perks and paid not with dues. They are separate entities. I'm not sure why this is hard to understand that DVC does get charged for everything relating to resort stays

Can you demonstrate -- at any time -- your MFs went down when DME was cancelled? If not, then the transportation costs you were charged did not go to pay for DME.

 

[correcaminos]

Can you demonstrate -- at any time -- your MFs went down when DME was cancelled? If not, then the transportation costs you were charged did not go to pay for DME.

Transportation fees include, but, boat, monorail and skyliner depending on the resort. They do not line item everything out there for you to see. As salaries went up our Transportation fees went up. While the small amount we paid for ME was removed other aspects of transportation fees went up to coverer it. Seriously google this. We are way off topic and I'm tired of repeating myself because you choose not to listen. Please just read up on this. I'm really not going to reply again even if you try to tag me or quote me.

 

[Anteater]

Transportation fees include, but, boat, monorail and skyliner depending on the resort. They do not line item everything out there for you to see. As salaries went up our Transportation fees went up. While the small amount we paid for ME was removed other aspects of transportation fees went up to coverer it. Seriously google this. We are way off topic and I'm tired of repeating myself because you choose not to listen. Please just read up on this. I'm really not going to reply again even if you try to tag me or quote me.

I've read up on it. And, all I find is others' opinion, like yours and mine. You keep stating I'm wrong. Yet, you have yet to provide any documentation regarding the transportation line item on your MFs. Now, you're saying it didn't show because other fees went up. Do you have any documentation from DVC that demonstrates this? If not, it's your opinion against mine. You're defending paying more and getting less. I disagree with that.

Back to your original programming...
They're gonna keep reservations? But, are they gonna keep Bob? Only $13 to go...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I saw an old South Park the other day where Cartman buys a theme park and won’t let anyone in, which creates huge demand…

The parks used to sell out on Christmas, New Years, and a few other days a year, now that they’ve created reservation, essentially saying you can’t come, it’s sold out constantly.

Is Bob Chapek secretly Eric Cartman?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can you demonstrate -- at any time -- your MFs went down when DME was cancelled? If not, then the transportation costs you were charged did not go to pay for DME.

Her point was “transportation” was part of fees. You can take that anywhere…magical express to the cp in the Mickey gloves at the dak parking lot to the custodian that cleans up hurl on the bridge from boardwalk to the gateway…

It’s all shell game accounting in the end…

What people forget - and forgotten which is why they did it - is the benefit of magical express far outweighed the costs to Disney. I think the first year the cost was like $18,000,000?

Nothing…not even worth Looking at. Penny wise, lb foolish

 

[Disstevefan1]

Can you demonstrate -- at any time -- your MFs went down when DME was cancelled? If not, then the transportation costs you were charged did not go to pay for DME.

Just asking because I sincerely do not know, other than correcting a mistake, has anyone ever seen MFs go down?