APs getting screwed?

Killnme

Killnme

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G8rchamps said:
Have any AP's tried booking a room, comfiguring your MB's, and then just cancelling the room. I forget how far they mail the band out from the reservation date.

We live just far enough away that we stayed at POP the weekend we got our passes, so thus have bands and have been using them just fine for the last few months. It is ashame that they are, for lack of a better term, screwing the locals.
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My neighbor tried it and once they cancelled the trip Disney dissembled the bands. But Disney is now running Florida Residents rates on Hotels. I just booked the All-Star Sports for one night at 86 dollars. So my magic bands will be delivered today.
 
Vader2112

Vader2112

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I am an AP holder and live 90 minutes away. I never use fastpasses as my thought is if I can not do it today I will come back soon and have the opportunity. If I take a trip for the day it is generally not a planned event so I d not know when I would try to access Fastpass+ maybe on the drive over?
While I fully understand that WDW make more money on guests coming for a week or longer due to accomodations, food and beverage plus merch. It still upsets me that I am not treated with more of a premium. I am not your typical passholder. While I do make day trips from time to time I also stay at resorts several times a year as a get away. Usually on a 3 day weekend we will go over to WDW Friday night and leave Monday. In addition to going on a birthday or other special occasion where we will spend a night or two. Or when I pay extra for MNNSHP or MVMCP (yes we do get a discount on those a whoping 6 bucks) and stay over becasue its a late night and I do not feel like driving back home for 2 hours at 1 :00am. When I do stay on site we eat meals on property as I find it easier with the kids instead of loading them up in the car and going to I Drive or 192. The discount for this has dried up considerably as they try to get you to buy a Tables in Wonderland discount card. As @CohibaMan man indicated I now have to pay a full rate for my 3 and 5 year olds. As for Merch I have two small kids think I do not cave from time to time? I think the FP+ anger from the AP holders is valid as several perks we once enjoyed have disappeared or have been trimmed. I think the magnet for the car is to make up for this? The other reason as many have indicated is the unknown at this point.
Here is an asside as an AP holder I still need to decide what time 6 months from now I would like to eat at Ohana. ;)
 
luv

luv

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I had an AP for many years before I moved to Florida. During several of the first years I had the AP, I spent a lot of money at Disney. As the years went on, I spent less and less money at Disney during my trips, no doubt about it.

I spend more now that I live here than I did for those last years living out-of-town.
 
alissafalco

alissafalco

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donsullivan said:
That is correct. Every Passholder I've talked to who has had a resort stay since this all started says that is the case. Long after their stay they still have access to Faspass+ reservations.

The thing we don't know, because Disney refuses to discuss this topic at all is whether that is just a software bug/loophole that they haven't closed yet, or if it is the experience that Passholders will get at some unknown time in the future.
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Well if that's the case, they should advertise AP holders need to have 1 stay on property to activate their FP perks. Better yet, a perk they should offer for AP holders should be guaranteed same day FP selections. You have to be in the park to make them but they are guaranteed. This way the system will not be bogged down if you don't show because you have to be there to make them! And that would be a great perk for AP holders.
 
donsullivan

donsullivan

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alissafalco said:
Well if that's the case, they should advertise AP holders need to have 1 stay on property to activate their FP perks. Better yet, a perk they should offer for AP holders should be guaranteed same day FP selections. You have to be in the park to make them but they are guaranteed. This way the system will not be bogged down if you don't show because you have to be there to make them! And that would be a great perk for AP holders.
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One of the scenarios that got really frustrating throughout December is having friends visiting from away (I'm an Orlando local) who have their FP+ reservations all made because they are staying at a WDW resort. Since I can't book in advance, I can't get a Fastpass of any kind for the same times they do and as a result cannot ride anything with them. There isn't any way without advance reservation that this condition gets resolved. With a day-of only model you get whatever (if anything) is left over when you arrive and it surely won't be at the same times as visiting friends reserved 2 months ago.
 
alissafalco

alissafalco

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donsullivan said:
One of the scenarios that got really frustrating throughout December is having friends visiting from away (I'm an Orlando local) who have their FP+ reservations all made because they are staying at a WDW resort. Since I can't book in advance, I can't get a Fastpass of any kind for the same times they do and as a result cannot ride anything with them. There isn't any way without advance reservation that this condition gets resolved. With a day-of only model you get whatever (if anything) is left over when you arrive and it surely won't be at the same times as visiting friends reserved 2 months ago.
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You are right about that. If they wanted they could have a way where they could link their reservations to your AP. IF they wanted.
 
seafoodbuffet

seafoodbuffet

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donsullivan said:
One of the scenarios that got really frustrating throughout December is having friends visiting from away (I'm an Orlando local) who have their FP+ reservations all made because they are staying at a WDW resort. Since I can't book in advance, I can't get a Fastpass of any kind for the same times they do and as a result cannot ride anything with them. There isn't any way without advance reservation that this condition gets resolved. With a day-of only model you get whatever (if anything) is left over when you arrive and it surely won't be at the same times as visiting friends reserved 2 months ago.
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I don't know if that's actually true. When we did same-day FP+, even though the exact times we wanted weren't necessarily one of their suggested options, the CM was always able to edit the time so that it was exactly what we wanted and short of "I want PPF, Soarin, TT, or some other E-Ticket experience thirty minutes from now", we really had no trouble getting a selection of times. I kept hearing stories about FP+ advanced reservations running out, perhaps they keep a percentage reserved for advanced and a different set reserved for same-day?

Also, I can't speak for TDO but I can only imagine if you approached a CM with your plight, they'd gladly do what they could to help you (who knows, they might even give you some of the magical anytime/any experience FPs just to compensate).
 
donsullivan

donsullivan

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seafoodbuffet said:
I don't know if that's actually true. When we did same-day FP+, even though the exact times we wanted weren't necessarily one of their suggested options, the CM was always able to edit the time so that it was exactly what we wanted and short of "I want PPF, Soarin, TT, or some other E-Ticket experience thirty minutes from now", we really had no trouble getting a selection of times. I kept hearing stories about FP+ advanced reservations running out, perhaps they keep a percentage reserved for advanced and a different set reserved for same-day?

Also, I can't speak for TDO but I can only imagine if you approached a CM with your plight, they'd gladly do what they could to help you (who knows, they might even give you some of the magical anytime/any experience FPs just to compensate).
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But since as of today, with the exception of AK, Passholders can't use FP+ (and thats only been for the last couple of weeks) 's this is not an available option. If I try to go to a FP+ station in the other 3 parks, I'm told I am not eligible to use the system and turned away.
 
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Mammymouse

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This whole new system operates on the assumption that everyone visiting is very computer literate. But in fact not all of my generation (65+) is neccessarily all that computer savvy. For example, my hubby could actually build you a nice house, fix and install any plumbing and most electrical issues, landscape and maintain a lush garden, etc........but does not have any skills on a computer. Thankfully I can do what we need done on a computer, but I am not a whiz by any means. And us retirees are a huge clientele for Disney - after all we have the Grandchildren to spoil. So this whole new program is a true aggravation to us rather than an enhancement of our experience. We are AP, DVC and Florida residents and agree this is making an APer harder to have fun.
 
seafoodbuffet

seafoodbuffet

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donsullivan said:
But since as of today, with the exception of AK, Passholders can't use FP+ (and thats only been for the last couple of weeks) 's this is not an available option. If I try to go to a FP+ station in the other 3 parks, I'm told I am not eligible to use the system and turned away.
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Okay, I understand. Yes, that's definitely hardly ideal. I think in the long run, they need to (and will) address that situation when the parks become FP+ only.

If you're extremely impatient, I've been told that once an AP has completed a single resort stay, you will then have MB and access to advanced FP+ reservations. I realize as a local, that's probably not a great answer but you could probably get a one-day resort res for not very much.
 
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yellowb

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donsullivan said:
That is correct. Every Passholder I've talked to who has had a resort stay since this all started says that is the case. Long after their stay they still have access to Faspass+ reservations.

The thing we don't know, because Disney refuses to discuss this topic at all is whether that is just a software bug/loophole that they haven't closed yet, or if it is the experience that Passholders will get at some unknown time in the future.
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I can confirm this. We have 4 AP's, and I can make a FP+ reservation up until 2 months from today. I've been able to have that 2 month window since we received our bands back in October when we went for a short weekend and stayed at All Star Sports.
 
mergatroid

mergatroid

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I wonder what the legalities are on current AP holders asking for a partial refund on their tickets? My wife and I who live in the UK bought ours in October just gone and will be returning in Septeber for 3 weeks to finish using them. When we bought them we were told off one CM they would allow use of FP+ at some stage over the next 12 months. Other CM's said it was unknown. If we go off what the first one said then surely that's false advertising? If all those who purchased AP's that were told this all demanded a refund on this basis and made a fuss, then at least Disney would have to address this issue?
 
donsullivan

donsullivan

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I just got off the phone with the folks at 407-560-PASS. I actually got shuffled across 3 different people so not sure where I actually ended up.

I got the same scripted response of "it's still in test' and there is no schedule for Passholders at this time. I have nothing I can communicate to you."
 
alissafalco

alissafalco

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donsullivan said:
I just got off the phone with the folks at 407-560-PASS. I actually got shuffled across 3 different people so not sure where I actually ended up.

I got the same scripted response of "it's still in test' and there is no schedule for Passholders at this time. I have nothing I can communicate to you."
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Thats ridiculous! Im an AP holder and I plan on going in April. What a joke!
 
mergatroid

mergatroid

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donsullivan said:
If you are staying in a Disney resort you should have no issues at all. This is only an issue for Passholders who have not had a resort stay since the program began.
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We have a holiday home in Florida about 1/2 hour drive away so there's no way we're paying for a nights stay at Disney to qualify for FP+. $1,500 spent on 2 premium AP's and we can't get a proper answer from Disney really is annoying.
 
seafoodbuffet

seafoodbuffet

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If you're completely against a single night at a resort on principle or what not, then your only option is going to be to show up in the park and speak to guest relations if you're not allowed to use the FP+ kiosks. Depending on your luck and how you go about it, you may be given some type of recourse. Do keep in mind that you'll still be able to use legacy FP until those machines are removed. I can't imagine a period where as an AP, you will neither have legacy FP nor FP+. (technically, your APs work with FP+ kiosks today, as long as they let you)

Since you said you're coming in Sept, I can only imagine that they will have completed "testing" by then (the schedule was to complete this in Spring). At the absolute worst, you will use your AP to make same-day FP+ reservations and perhaps even advanced reservations.
 

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