Appalling state of the monorail cabins

[maxairmike]

It isn't even an issue of how many trains they have, really, the issue is giving a budget for the staffing required to really keep up with it during the overnight hours for cleaning. That nothing really happens when they go out of service for extended periods proves this point more than anything. The costs of the cleaning supplies is relatively trivial, the cost of the labor is not (in their minds, at least).

 

[Cesar R M]

Disney has the money, stop quoting that stupid number.

Maybe Disney as corporate level.. but park division wise?
Don't they have the "The Parks division are on their own" thing going on?

 

[PhotoDave219]

Maybe Disney as corporate level.. but park division wise?
Don't they have the "The Parks division are on their own" thing going on?

Nope.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

I'm sorry, but can anyone honestly say it's costing Disney "too much money" or some other lame excuse as to why ONE CM can't be put on a monorail to 'service' each car, one by one while the monorail is operating? Would it be that horrible to have one set of seats "out of order" as a CM takes care of it, then reopens and moves on to the next?

How long could it take to wipe down the handrails, the seats, a quick swipe (with windex please) over the mold covered inside and windows? I'm not asking them to sew new seats and repaint the damn thing. Just clean it. Car by car. Section by section. While the monorail is operating. No need to dock it. Just switch cars when pulling into a station and loading/unloading.

Is that too much?

 

[MonorailMan]

Although everyone on this thread is throwing Disney under the bus for their bad upkeep of the monorail cabins, Disney does a wonderful job maintaining the monorails as a whole. When the monorails go into the shop at night, constant work is being done to the monorails. The work is just mechanical work, not cosmetic work because the monorails are of old age and parts break easily and need constant attention. So, would you rather ride a monorail the looks slightly rough on the inside or ride a monorail that constantly breaks down and isn't efficient? I know what I would choose...

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm sorry, but can anyone honestly say it's costing Disney "too much money" or some other lame excuse as to why ONE CM can't be put on a monorail to 'service' each car, one by one while the monorail is operating? Would it be that horrible to have one set of seats "out of order" as a CM takes care of it, then reopens and moves on to the next?

How long could it take to wipe down the handrails, the seats, a quick swipe (with windex please) over the mold covered inside and windows? I'm not asking them to sew new seats and repaint the damn thing. Just clean it. Car by car. Section by section. While the monorail is operating. No need to dock it. Just switch cars when pulling into a station and loading/unloading.

Is that too much?

That just seems like a logistical hassle to coordinate. You'd have to have someone on the loading platform telling people an upcoming car is closed as well as moving people out of the closed car on the Resort Line.

Although everyone on this thread is throwing Disney under the bus for their bad upkeep of the monorail cabins, Disney does a wonderful job maintaining the monorails as a whole. When the monorails go into the shop at night, constant work is being done to the monorails. The work is just mechanical work, not cosmetic work because the monorails are of old age and parts break easily and need constant attention. So, would you rather ride a monorail the looks slightly rough on the inside or ride a monorail that constantly breaks down and isn't efficient? I know what I would choose...

I am going to echo David Gunn and say they are the same thing and poor cosmetics is poor maintenance.
http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/clean-trains/

 

[CDavid]

When the monorails go into the shop at night, constant work is being done to the monorails. The work is just mechanical work, not cosmetic work because the monorails are of old age and parts break easily and need constant attention. So, would you rather ride a monorail the looks slightly rough on the inside or ride a monorail that constantly breaks down and isn't efficient? I know what I would choose...

Is there some reason a custodian cannot be tasked with cleaning the train at the same time as mechanics keep it in running order? Or why one crew cannot replace or repair worn interior surfaces at the same time another tries to figure out why the thing broke down on the beam the day before?

Any reason other than Disney just being too cheap to do the work, that is.

 

[Cesar R M]

Although everyone on this thread is throwing Disney under the bus for their bad upkeep of the monorail cabins, Disney does a wonderful job maintaining the monorails as a whole. When the monorails go into the shop at night, constant work is being done to the monorails. The work is just mechanical work, not cosmetic work because the monorails are of old age and parts break easily and need constant attention. So, would you rather ride a monorail the looks slightly rough on the inside or ride a monorail that constantly breaks down and isn't efficient? I know what I would choose...

Are you seriously saying that we have to choose into between a filthy monorail or a working monorail?
Seriously?????

 

[MonorailMan]

Teal and Lime are down ( Train Control System/Rewiring and Crashed/Crushed cab) Bare minimum number to operate. You can not add more trains because you will have gridlock. You already have a lot of holds when running 3 on beam, imagine 5,6,7?

Im not arguing that TDO is trying their very best to maintain and clean them, but have you seen the guests who ride them? They practically use the trains as toilets.

It's really the worst of a bad situation. Before the crash you had trains being rotated in and out for the new control system. After the crash you were down 2, leaving the others to pull the slack. Tron (Coral) had that damn wrap on so long because they couldn't find time to take it off. Now you have Teal and Lime down for a while. Add to that the increased hours that really took a toll on the fleet which they clamped that down in 2011 with the hours of operation change and you have the state that we're in.

Teal and Lime are down??? For what specifically???

 

[MonorailMan]

Are you seriously saying that we could choose into a filthy monorail or a working monorail?
Seriously?????

I'm not saying that we choose to have filthy and working monorails, it is just what we are dealing with... For the way I see it is that Disney has their focus on keeping the monorails in working order, with a less focus on the cosmetic stuff. The primary use of the monorails in transportation, so I believe that Disney has their priority on keeping the monorails in working condition and that wear and tear in the cabins isn't a big deal.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Teal and Lime are down??? For what specifically???

Teal is being equipped to test automation and Lime was hit by a tractor.

 

[MonorailMan]

Really??? How do you hit a monorail with one of the tractors? But I am glad to see that they are in the midst of starting the system automation/upgrades.

 

[wdw71fan]

The cabins are certainly bad show right now.... but.... patience grasshopper.

 

[disney9752]

H

GF opened in July 1 1988, First MKVI was put on the beam in June 1989.

the resort was being built as other stations were in chaos, it was built at correct height to start off... I had the pleasure of enduring this mess when i had my first season pass

 

[Figment2005]

I'm sorry, but can anyone honestly say it's costing Disney "too much money" or some other lame excuse as to why ONE CM can't be put on a monorail to 'service' each car, one by one while the monorail is operating? Would it be that horrible to have one set of seats "out of order" as a CM takes care of it, then reopens and moves on to the next?

How long could it take to wipe down the handrails, the seats, a quick swipe (with windex please) over the mold covered inside and windows? I'm not asking them to sew new seats and repaint the damn thing. Just clean it. Car by car. Section by section. While the monorail is operating. No need to dock it. Just switch cars when pulling into a station and loading/unloading.

Is that too much?

It's just not logically possible.

 

[Figment2005]

Is there some reason a custodian cannot be tasked with cleaning the train at the same time as mechanics keep it in running order? Or why one crew cannot replace or repair worn interior surfaces at the same time another tries to figure out why the thing broke down on the beam the day before?

Any reason other than Disney just being too cheap to do the work, that is.

There are custodial crews that work on the trains when they are in shop. 20+ year old stains don't just magically come out with soap and water.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

The cabins are certainly bad show right now.... but.... patience grasshopper.

Aaaaaand what's that supposed to mean? Hmm?

That just seems like a logistical hassle to coordinate. You'd have to have someone on the loading platform telling people an upcoming car is closed as well as moving people out of the closed car on the Resort Line.


I am going to echo David Gunn and say they are the same thing and poor cosmetics is poor maintenance.
http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/clean-trains/

All you would need is a $5 set of walkie talkies. "Monorail black, car 1 closed" relayed to next stop, then a simple shift so no one could queue up for car 1. I really don't think it would be that awful. And I'm sure people would understand the need to have one car per monorail out of service for cleaning versus filthy monorails running all cars open. And it would be better than docking the entire train for cleaning. Just trying to show that it really isn't that hard to even ATTEMPT to keep it clean.

And I agree 100% poor cosmetics is poor maintenance.

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm not saying that we choose to have filthy and working monorails, it is just what we are dealing with... For the way I see it is that Disney has their focus on keeping the monorails in working order, with a less focus on the cosmetic stuff. The primary use of the monorails in transportation, so I believe that Disney has their priority on keeping the monorails in working condition and that wear and tear in the cabins isn't a big deal.

keeping it clean is hardly "cosmetic".. Its a health issue.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I wouldn't worry about any of this. Since we were just treated to a three million word lecture on another thread about how monorails are not transportation, I guess none of this matters at all. We'll all just have to remember to bring our jet packs so we can fly to the Magic Kingdom, since, as I have now been informed, monorails are not transportation.

 

[CDavid]

I wouldn't worry about any of this. Since we were just treated to a three million word lecture on another thread about how monorails are not transportation, I guess none of this matters at all. We'll all just have to remember to bring our jet packs so we can fly to the Magic Kingdom, since, as I have now been informed, monorails are not transportation.

What thread?