MnDisneyFan
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The locals here are nuts. Why do you ask? NO FAULT Insurance.
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Another Disney bus crash - Aug 20
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TRONorail10
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While this sounds like a great idea, it is almost impossible to accomplish with existing roads and infrastructure in place. This would have had to have been built during the original phases of WDW construction. Do I feel they can improve their roads, YES. There are several areas that could use expanded merging and turning lanes that may reduce accidents, and I do feel that more traffic signage could be helpful. I really think WDW needs to place signs across property warning all drivers that Disney buses have the right of way, especially since there are going to be another dozen or so on the roads once Art of Animation Resort is complete.
cdunbar
Active Member
Just a FYI if you're going to live in Florida, insulating you're fellow Floridians is not the way to make friends.The locals here are nuts. Why do you ask? NO FAULT Insurance.
floridabill
New Member
There to cheap for that, they are probably just going to keep the same amount, and make wait times longer! or they will add more busses so it gives them a reason to jack prices up!!!:fork:
miles1
Active Member
Just two observations:
First, driving idiocy is not confined to Florida. Thursday, I personally witnessed a guy in a classic '66 GTO convertible going 75MPH in the left lane while reading a book on the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey. (I thought it might be a cast member of The Jersey Shore, but the reading part ruled that out.)
Second, I've been driving for 33 years now. Frankly I find Disney's road signage confusing, difficult to read at night, and the directional signage is inadequate. The wording is vague and it often doesn't give enough notice when a lane change or turn is required given the speed you're driving at and the traffic. I usually get somewhat lost on the property at least once each visit when I drive, even after 14 visits. I can imagine what first-timers must go through to find their way.
Granted it's hard to miss a huge white bus coming at you, but I think the locals shoudl give us tourists a little slack.
First, driving idiocy is not confined to Florida. Thursday, I personally witnessed a guy in a classic '66 GTO convertible going 75MPH in the left lane while reading a book on the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey. (I thought it might be a cast member of The Jersey Shore, but the reading part ruled that out.)
Second, I've been driving for 33 years now. Frankly I find Disney's road signage confusing, difficult to read at night, and the directional signage is inadequate. The wording is vague and it often doesn't give enough notice when a lane change or turn is required given the speed you're driving at and the traffic. I usually get somewhat lost on the property at least once each visit when I drive, even after 14 visits. I can imagine what first-timers must go through to find their way.
Granted it's hard to miss a huge white bus coming at you, but I think the locals shoudl give us tourists a little slack.
SeaCastle
Well-Known Member
:ROFLOL: :ROFLOL:
I've come to realize traffic laws simply don't apply in the state of New Jersey. :shrug:
828tnt
Well-Known Member
i vote for this! unfortunately, they would be called monorails......and we know where that discussion leads....
MMFanCipher
Well-Known Member
I have to agree with this. The last time we were there I forget how many
times I said, "Rats! should have exited there!" There were signs 2 exits
earlier saying what exit to take, but when you actually got to the exit
nothing! So you're left thinking is this the correct exit? :shrug:
s8film40
Well-Known Member
They could but then they would have to pay for these roads instead of using public roads. I think if you factored in the costs of roads upkeep labor and fuel it would be cheaper to just build monorails.
kaos
Active Member
There are only two or three "public" roads on WDW property, the rest are already private roads maintained by RC. Monorail upkeep is surprisingly expensive. There is no ROI on this either. The bus system, while it may seem is expensive to maintain, is considerably cheaper. As far as fuel is concerned, the new busses use LP or Natural Gas and the older busses have either already been or are in the process of being converted, so diesel prices have nominal affects on the fleet. In fact, the busses have held up better than than the monorails have- more than 40% (down considerably from the 65% just four years ago) of the fleet is original equipment from 1971! The newer busses cost about $115k each- cost of a new monorail train is around $1.4m! You can alomst get 10 busses for the price of one train, and the busses are more versatile.
It would cost about $350k a mile to build a private roadway for busses only, and if built correctly, would require about 11 miles of surface. Upkeep of that is nominal (about $32k a mile over 10 years). Just one mile of monorail track is about $22.5M. I know it would be fun and cool to ride the monorail everywhere, but I'd rather, as a stockholder, see more money put into areas that would generate a ROI as opposed to cutting off 5 minutes of drive time for the current transportation system.
#'s based on current construction projects/road projects in the chicagoland area- Mostly the tollway system; however, the IL Tollway System is a pay-for-use system and generates its own funding for these projects, so their numbers may be skewed
s8film40
Well-Known Member
Actually it's the other way around almost all of the roads are public with only a few of them being private. Disney buses spend the vast majority of the time on public roads. Also I don't think you can accurately project the cost of a monorail system since the cost would vary depending on the size of the system. Don't forget to factor in labor when comparing costs there are almost 1000 positions that could be cut entirely with a modern monorail system, and that's a savings that would be ongoing. It's really simple up front yes monorails are more expensive than buses in the long run it ends up being cheaper, right now Disney is operating in the short term so I wouldn't expect too much else besides buses.
kaos
Active Member
I was under the impression that only I-4, the Osceola county routes (440 and 192), and part of the John Young were the only public roads.. Hmmm.. our stock report shows the rest of the roadways as "assets" due to being private in nature... But if I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time...
tiggermarie
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tiggermarie
New Member
I live 2 hours from WDW and people here do drive bad, to fast, no turn signals, don't slow done to make a turn, - my favorite - use parking lanes as turn lanes - drives me up a wall. But there are a few that are good drivers ( I am one) that fallow the law.So you can make friends with me. :wave:
theadmiral459
Member
You know folks being on property almost every weekend i see so many incidents where the bus gets caught in the middle for example this weekend I seen a couple different scenario's where the the bus was cut off the second was the car in front of the bus slammed on his brakes for no reason and the bus had to swerve out of its way almost like these people are doing on purpose .
stuart
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Fox 5 / Wesh 2 employees? :lookaroun