Another BS lawsuit

speck76

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Suit: Disney stole pass idea

Robert Keyes says FastPass is based on a letter he sent Disney in 1991


After Robert Keyes watched a man pass out in a ride queue at Disney-MGM Studios, he had an epiphany, he said: Theme park visitors do not have to stand in line.

So, according to a patent lawsuit Keyes filed this month in federal court in Orlando, he sent a letter to Disney executives in 1991 describing a system that would allow some theme-park visitors to wait in a "standby" line but give others a ticket to return later and avoid the wait.

A top Disney executive sent him a letter back a month later, telling him the idea wouldn't work and would result in "more guest inconvenience," according to Keyes' lawsuit.

Nearly a decade later, in 1999, Disney introduced FastPass, an automated system that gives visitors a ticket so they can skip the long lines at its parks' most popular rides. The invention has been copied across the industry.

Now Keyes alleges that Disney stole his idea, and he is seeking credit and unspecified damages.

"After Disney told me this thing didn't work, that it wouldn't work, and that it was an inconvenience for the customer, they went out and patented it," said Keyes, who owned a small textile company in Sarasota before moving to Tennessee a few years ago.

A Disney spokeswoman said Thursday the company was still evaluating the lawsuit and would not comment further.

In an interview Thursday, Keyes said he has been to Walt Disney World maybe 50 times, but his last visit was in 1997. Last October, while baby-sitting his grandson in Sarasota, he said, he came across a Travel Channel special on Disney's FastPass program.

"I said, 'Doggone it! That's the same doggone system,' " he said. He found Disney's FastPass patent -- granted in 2001 -- on the Internet, dug out the old letters, and contacted a lawyer. Keyes and his lawyers would not provide copies of those letters Thursday.

It is not the first time Disney has been sued for allegedly stealing an idea.

In 2000, jurors concluded that Disney had stolen the idea for its Wide World of Sports complex and ordered the company to pay $240 million to two businessmen who had pitched a similar idea to the company years before.

Disney is a frequent target of lawsuits alleging intellectual-property theft. In the past, it has been accused of stealing the idea for Epcot as well as for magazines and movie scripts.

Sean Mussenden can be reached at smussenden@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5664
 

waltdisny

New Member
BS is right,

According to patent law, you cannot patent an "idea," only a process or invention.

So, if he did not file for a patent for fast-pass as a process at anytime before Disney filed for their's, he is out of luck.
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
Is there any wonder why Disney will not comment on discussion websites like this one, or give much more than a form letter response to all the suggestions they receive.

It would be my guess that there is not one addition or improvement or deletion that Disney can do that hasn't been "mentioned" somewhere previously.

If it weren't for this pathetic litigious mindset, I believe Disney would be much more open to actively review and possibly implement good ideas sent to them or available for public offering like on this site. I even remember in the simpler, kinder 70's and 80's when Disney actually included a suggestion form for guests staying on site.

*$&# all lawyers..... :lookaroun sorry.....got overly worked up :zipit:
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Last i checked, any idea a Guest (OR CAST MEMBER) pitches to WDW automatically becomes property of WDW - no questions asked, no compensation given.

We've got buildings and buildings of lawyers to deal with this nonsense...
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
Here is my question, if they had told him "Hey thats a great idea" and then used it, without giving him any sort of credit, would he still have tried to sue? Just based on the fact that they acknowledged it was a good idea? I wonder about those type of things, because why would he have told them, if he didn't want them to use it. If he wanted some type of credit for the idea, you'd think he would of specified that in his letter. Which there is nothing saying he didn't but....kinda makes you think doesn't it?
 

Slipknot

Well-Known Member
When are lawsuits not BS???

Here is another bogus one for all you baseball fans.

According to a Yankee fan, durring one of the 2003 World Series games played in Florida, a ball tossed into the stands broke his nose. Now he is suing the Florida Marlins and Juan Pierre (who isn't really that strong when throwing a baseball, mind you) who threw the ball into the stands.

Here is what is wrong with this lawsuit: 1) The ticket warns you of balls and bats that can fly into the stands, so be alert (he was setting down his beer and not paying attention to the field when it happened...) 2) He waited almost a year to file the suit. :hammer:
 

Slipknot

Well-Known Member
PurpleDragon said:
It took the lawyer that long to convince him to sue. Blood s__________g no g:zipit: ......sorry!:zipit:

LoL. If you ask me, he's just upset about his beloved ees not winning last year and being booted by Boston this year!!!!!!
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Dave,

last I checked, any time a guest or CM gives WDW an unsolicited idea, it gets chucked away in a filing cabinet, and never read for all eternity
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
You know, one time I was visiting and I mentioned that it would be real neat if the Disney shut down 20k, Journey into your Imag, and Mr. Toad. Dangit, they didnt pay me!!!!!

:lookaroun :lookaroun , bending at my knees closer to the ground becuase the message wizard wont let me say d__________g.....
 

Sledge

Account Suspended
That is one BS lawsuit. It was basically an idea he would like to see them use for the park and they didn't use it at the time. It would be like if someone wrote Disney and said "Yeah, I love the parks but there needs to be a water fountain every 50 yards to prevent heat stroke and dehydration." Then they didn't decide to put more in because that had been their only complaint about not enough fountains. Then say in 9 years they start having more people agree that there should be more, not necissarily every 50 yards but just more in general. So they would most likely put it in. Then the guy comes back and says "Hey, I can get rich really fast! Hey Disney, putting in water fountains was my idea 9 years ago, gimmie some money."

FastPasses were bound to happen sometime since it really isn't that crazy an idea to come up with. Six Flags even did it around the same time Disney started it (at least here in Texas). I'm sure the guys idea was a lot different too and the only similarity is being able to get up front quicker. I highly doubt the whole FastPass distributor machines were his idea. He probably had an idea about getting your hand stamped, getting a sticker or just a small peice of paper from the CM at the front of the attraction.

Yeah, this guy sucks. I hate stupid people. Let's burn his house down. :D
 

Atta83

Well-Known Member
This guy is full of it. OK, your at an amusement park, last time I checked they do have lines.....o no a line :eek: what ever will I do.... :lookaroun
 

DisneyFreak1228

New Member
PhotoDave219 said:
Last i checked, any idea a Guest (OR CAST MEMBER) pitches to WDW automatically becomes property of WDW - no questions asked, no compensation given.

We've got buildings and buildings of lawyers to deal with this nonsense...

Yep, that's right, any idea (whether verbal or written) anyone pitches to Disney automatically becomes property of Disney.

Even if this is true, this guy's S.O.L. And even though copyright law states that every original work is copyrighted from the moment of creation, without written proof, he has no case. I can run around screaming, "I PITCHED DISNEY THE IDEA FOR THE TOWER OF TERROR ATTRACTION!", but again without hard evidence, I'd have no case, and Disney would just laugh at me.

Isn't it convienient how he claims he wrote Disney a letter pitching "his idea", yet he has no copy of the letter he wrote, nor the letter he claims Disney responded to him with? He's full of crap. Just someone looking to make a quick buck at the expense of someone else.
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
I think they should have some sort of "Idiot jail" for people like this. Making up claims against a multi million dollar company in hopes of getting rich quick.

Pa-lees!! You'll have better luck trying to play the lottery, at least that only costs a buck or two.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
DisneyFreak1228 said:
Yep, that's right, any idea (whether verbal or written) anyone pitches to Disney automatically becomes property of Disney.
Thankfully, that doesnt include personal photographs taken while as a guest, on your own time. Not like i could sell them anyways, but still. I retain the copyrights to the images. But if Disney wants to Buy them from me... LOL
 

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