Anna and Elsa at DHS Today

[RandomPrincess]

That's a nice article, but it leaves out about four out of seven chapters of the original story... the whole middle. As written it is an epic journey, with so many interesting characters other than Gerda, Kai and the Queen. I would challenge anyone to read the original and say they wouldn't watch it as a movie.

I have nothing against Frozen... except for the fact that it means that now Disney will never make a movie of The Snow Queen. It was my favorite fairy tale as a child, and I've been hoping for a Disney movie for thirty years or so.

Gerda melts Kai's frozen heart with her tears... saying she cries on everything to fix it is kinda flip.

I remember discovering The Snow Queen as a child and loving it! Frozen is so different I'm just looking at it as it's own story.

 

[BrightImagine]

I've just convinced myself that The Snow Queen is the perfect Ghibli movie.
Gerda is like Chihiro... navigating alone through a dreamlike world to save her loved one.
She is a kid, not a young woman, with no romantic interest, who has to strike out on her own at a young age... like Kiki.
The crazy, self-interested Robber Girl... like Lady Eboshi or her employees.
The Snow Queen herself is like Gran Mamare... incredibly powerful, beautiful and terrifying.
The reindeer, noble like Yakul.
Save this story Ghibli!

 

[notnothin]

Is Elsa preggers?

 

[Sped2424]

Is Elsa preggers?

what in tarnation?

 

[Magenta Panther]

This is all not to mention the fact that there's no Robber Girl character - such a cool and different character that I would have loved to see in animated form. Much better than a snowman. But that's all in the past now... I do like the designs of Anna and Elsa and the idea of a story about sisters (I'm trying to avoid finding out the story.) But it's not The Snow Queen.

Oh, YEAH! No robber girl! She was awesome. There are a lot of cool female characters in the story. What a shame that we'll never see the Disney version of them...

 

[Magenta Panther]

The damsel is still doing the rescuing, The snow queen in this film is still Elsa, they did this because disney has tried believe it or not to adapt this film since about 2002. Each time to no avail, they couldn't get the story to work or make it interesting for audiences. The original tale had gerda crying on everything to heal or fix it, talk about new wave feminism and the snow queen in the old tale isn't even necessarily evil. She takes kai away for saying that he will burn her on the stove, after that she just kind of lets him chill in her castle. Elements were discarded because they didn't work if you don't believe me give this article a read
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...decades-long-story-problems.aspx#.UmgZrPnqya8
As for elsa being a princess that isn't even in the film, she is actually the snow queen and the queen of arendelle. The only people calling her a princess is the Disney princess line which is for marketing but in the story of this film she is a Queen. She is also one of the main characters, the name was changed not because the story no longer involves the snow queen, but because marketing dictated that tangled was a success with the name change, so they did the same to frozen. Also almost all fairy tales involve children, and disney has more or less made them adults or older in about each film so nothing new there. I think you should honestly see the film before judging it so quickly. And if you are mad the source material isn't there I reccomend you read some grimm fairy tales or Hans christen Andersen original tales, you'll find ariel's fate should have been a bit more, well, bubbly. I have faith in Disney animation they don't just shelve out garbage (planes doesn't count that is disney toon studios.)

Maybe Disney should have watched this version for inspiration:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Snow-Quee...qid=1382627471&sr=1-3&keywords=the+snow+queen

I remember seeing this on TV as a kid, and I've never forgotten it. The Russian studio which created it managed to make Anderson's story work on film. Disney could have too, but decided to make another "Tangled" with snow. Period. And who needs it? It might do very well at the box office - depending on the competition - but I'm not interested. If you're going to see it, I hope you enjoy it.

 

[FrankLapidus]

I find it strange when people take issue with changes that are made to WDAS' film adaptations today when Disney have always taken creative liberties with the stories they've decided to adapt. The Jungle Book is my favourite animated Disney film and during its development Walt Disney threw out Bill Peet's initial work because it was too faithful to the dark tone of Kipling's story. Walt then decided to lead the film's development himself and famously got his story team together, gave them a copy of the book and told them that the first thing he wanted them to do was not read it. The result is a classic but if you go into it expecting any kind of faithful adaptions of Kipling's tale then you'll be sorely disappointed.

Frozen is not an adaption of The Snow Queen, it began as that and has subsequently evolved into a story that simply retains elements of the original story and fits with the hallmarks of Disney's animated features, much like The Jungle Book. The early buzz I've seen for the film has been very positive so maybe Disney have done something right in the changes that they've made.

 

[Sped2424]

I find it strange when people take issue with changes that are made to WDAS' film adaptations today when Disney have always taken creative liberties with the stories they've decided to adapt. The Jungle Book is my favourite animated Disney film and during its development Walt Disney threw out Bill Peet's initial work because it was too faithful to the dark tone of Kipling's story. Walt then decided to lead the film's development himself and famously got his story team together, gave them a copy of the book and told them that the first thing he wanted them to do was not read it. The result is a classic but if you go into it expecting any kind of faithful adaptions of Kipling's tale then you'll be sorely disappointed.

Frozen is not an adaption of The Snow Queen, it began as that and has subsequently evolved into a story that simply retains elements of the original story and fits with the hallmarks of Disney's animated features, much like The Jungle Book. The early buzz I've seen for the film has been very positive so maybe Disney have done something right in the changes that they've made.

Ahh thank you. Like I said If you have seen the movie already Magenta and didn't like it that's fine, but I think your calling this film/judging a little too quickly. Like I have stated almost all of the "classics" have little or nothing to do with the original fairy tales that they are based off but do retain a few elements. Its no shock that they continued this trend with frozen. I didn't see The princess and the frog retain as much criticism as frozen is getting for not sticking with the original story. This is how Disney does movies, I linked a great article about how frozen came to be, its not like the animators saw tangled and said "sweet lets do that but with snow". Disney animation does put out quality films, and as such there is a lot of work, history, art background, and story foundation that goes into it. So I can almost assure you (Almost since I haven't seen the film) that this movie is in no way a tangled knock off. The trailers give you a tangled vibe because of how they are constructed, focusing only on the humor, no real music, putting in generic urban radio hits as the background. That's all marketing, not the studio that made the film.

 

[Fable McCloud]

I make no statement or judgements until I see it.

My only grievance thus far, (and probably in the future too) is the snowman. I think Brave and Tangled did just fine without talking animal companions, just animate them well and that's enough.

The only other thing that strikes me as weird is just that Anna doesn't seem like a character to me. She's just Kirsten Bell with braids. Again though, I'll see how I feel when it premieres.

I wonder if there will be singing since both ladies can sing? Idina did Rent, Wicked, Glee, and Kirsten was adorable in Reefer Madness. Let's hope the music will hold up.

 

[RandomPrincess]

I make no statement or judgements until I see it.

My only grievance thus far, (and probably in the future too) is the snowman. I think Brave and Tangled did just fine without talking animal companions, just animate them well and that's enough.

The only other thing that strikes me as weird is just that Anna doesn't seem like a character to me. She's just Kirsten Bell with braids. Again though, I'll see how I feel when it premieres.

I wonder if there will be singing since both ladies can sing? Idina did Rent, Wicked, Glee, and Kirsten was adorable in Reefer Madness. Let's hope the music will hold up.

There is singing. In one of the trailers you can here a snippet of a duet between Kirsten and Idina. Idina also has a solo song she previewed at D23. Josh Gad (Book of Mormon) is voicing the Snowman and they also previewed a comic song for his character at D23. I'm also expecting some singing from Kristoff since he's voiced by Jonathan Goff (Spring Awakening).

The snowman talks but he is a magical creature so I think they might be able to getaway with it the Reindeer in the film does not talk.

 

[Sped2424]

I make no statement or judgements until I see it.

My only grievance thus far, (and probably in the future too) is the snowman. I think Brave and Tangled did just fine without talking animal companions, just animate them well and that's enough.

The only other thing that strikes me as weird is just that Anna doesn't seem like a character to me. She's just Kirsten Bell with braids. Again though, I'll see how I feel when it premieres.

I wonder if there will be singing since both ladies can sing? Idina did Rent, Wicked, Glee, and Kirsten was adorable in Reefer Madness. Let's hope the music will hold up.

Tangled had two comedic relief as animals and they didn't talk because their expressions carried everything, they also weren't enchanted snowmen! I think olaf is gonna prove to be endearing, and if anyone looks like their celebrity its Rapunzel when she loses her golden locks she becomes 1990's mandy moore. So that comparison doesn't make sense of how the character won't be a devolved one!

Even has her overbite!

 

[Matt_Black]

I'll be heading to DHS tomorrow; fingers crossed that they'll be out.

 

[FutureWorld1982]

I'll be heading to DHS tomorrow; fingers crossed that they'll be out.

They area already meeting at Epcot.

EDIT - Oops, my bad. i misread the Times Guide, which actually says that they will start meeting on Friday. Some rumors say that this may be changing again, though.

 

[Matt_Black]

Yeah, I saw that. Keeping my fingers crossed!

 

[RAXIP]

They area already meeting at Epcot.

EDIT - Oops, my bad. i misread the Times Guide, which actually says that they will start meeting on Friday. Some rumors say that this may be changing again, though.

The Times Guides have been reprinted without the Frozen characters information on it, so I'd expect a delay.

 

[Matt_Black]

Huh. Because the 1 I picked up last night had them listed for Nov. 1 & 2. I'll grab 1 for today and check.

 

[FutureWorld1982]

The Times Guides have been reprinted without the Frozen characters information on it, so I'd expect a delay.

Thanks for the information, Raxip.

 

[Matt_Black]

Have the new guides been in circulation yet? The ones I've seen still have them listed.

 

[TubaGeek]

Is Elsa preggers?

Why would you think that's an appropriate question to ask?!?

 

[Neverland]

No Anna or Elsa at Epcot today. The M&G appeared to still be very much under construction (you could hear electric sawing from inside and the Puffin's Roost sign hasn't even been taken down yet). They did, however, have a few CMs (character attendant, Norway CM, and Perry CM when I was there) posted outside to tell people that the meets would not happen, and they were telling people it would be open tomorrow. Can't vouch for how accurate that actually is, though.