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I will buy the team.
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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium
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I will buy the team.
TP2000
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You know, if the Angels get sold and moved to Texas or Tennessee, this will only make Anaheim's General Tax Fund more dependent on keeping Disneyland happy.
That lovable Socialist Dr. Jose Moreno (rumored to be running for mayor) isn't going to like having all his dirty Capitalist money coming to him from only one source.
In less snarky and more serious commentary from me... I think Anaheim should do anything it can to keep the Angels in town. They need to diversify their tourism/visitor attractions as much as they can. OC and California needs this team just as much as Anaheim needs it, instead of it going to Nashville or Austin or Jacksonville.
That lovable Socialist Dr. Jose Moreno (rumored to be running for mayor) isn't going to like having all his dirty Capitalist money coming to him from only one source.
In less snarky and more serious commentary from me... I think Anaheim should do anything it can to keep the Angels in town. They need to diversify their tourism/visitor attractions as much as they can. OC and California needs this team just as much as Anaheim needs it, instead of it going to Nashville or Austin or Jacksonville.
TP2000
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No kidding.
This whole thing in Anaheim City Hall and TDA is certainly messy enough to scoop in the team owner as well.
GimpYancIent
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The Peoples Republic of Anaheim will need to reassess their relationship with the mouse. A lot of damage has been done already and a lot of diplomacy will be needed to return to happier times when there was a close community relationship.
Great news. That bum is an awful owner and has no clue on how to run a baseball team. He made his buddy the team President and he too had no background in baseball. Hope the owner of the Warriors buys the team. Grew up in Anaheim an Angels fan and also got his first job at the Big A. This guy won’t screw over the city like Moreno.
TP2000
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All that may be true. But do you think it's better to sell the team on to some other bum in Austin or Jacksonville or Nashville or Raleigh? I don't.
Portland wanted a MLB team pre-Covid, but it's a collapsed and dying city now after all the riots and destruction that 2020-21 brought that once booming West Coast city. Maybe Salt Lake City instead, if it's MLB expansion west of the Rockies?
California is shrinking and currently losing population and Congressional seats to Texas and Utah and Florida and Tennessee; but losing the Angels will be bad for California in general, OC as a sense of place less generally, and Anaheim quite specifically.
There will always be some rich clueless bum somewhere to buy a team. It would be better if the bum was in Anaheim.
socaljoeyb
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It's not likely the new owner would want to leave this media market. Maybe move to a different part of OC but I highly doubt leaving OC.
TP2000
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About the only place I could see them building a new stadium would be on the land formerly known as the Great Park in Irvine. I can't think of anyplace near a freeway in OC that could cobble together enough land for a big stadium for MLB.
But to your point, there's a part of me that realizes how lucrative OC looks on paper. And yet, OC shares its TV market, its commercial market, its branding market with "LA". Thus you get nonsense like the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.
The only branding OC can claim for itself on the national stage is its Botoxed and bitchy real housewives.
There's also a part of me that realizes there are many more growing cities in booming states out there that want a pro sports team of some sort desperately. Many of those booming cities are flush with cash now. And they wouldn't have to do branding gymnastics with their titles. They could just be the Austin Angels, or the Nashville Angels, etc.
Or, the Angels name goes the way of the Seattle Supersonics and they rebrand themselves entirely into a new city culture like the Oklahoma City Thunder. Thus the Angels move to a new city and become the Austin Roughriders or the Nashville Haybalers or the Raleigh Rollers, Presented by RJ Reynolds, or some such cutesy-local thing.
Regardless of names, or Sunbelt and Southern bigwigs who are probably already wooing Mr. Moreno to help boost his FBI legal defense fund, it will be a loss for California, for OC, and for Anaheim if they lose the Angels to a different state.
P.S. I really like that Raleigh Rollers name I just came up with fueled by my nightcap. If the team goes to North Carolina and its booming population, I think it could work. Maybe.
It's Raleigh Rollers King Size Giveaway Nite this Friday! Bring the whole family and watch the Rollers smoke 'em!
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socaljoeyb
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About the only place I could see them building a new stadium would be on the land formerly known as the Great Park in Irvine. I can't think of anyplace near a freeway in OC that could cobble together enough land for a big stadium for MLB.
But to your point, there's a part of me that realizes how lucrative OC looks on paper. And yet, OC shares its TV market, its commercial market, its branding market with "LA". Thus you get nonsense like the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.
The only branding OC can claim for itself on the national stage is its Botoxed and bitchy real housewives.
There's also a part of me that realizes there are many more growing cities in booming states out there that want a pro sports team of some sort desperately. Many of those booming cities are flush with cash now. And they wouldn't have to do branding gymnastics with their titles. They could just be the Austin Angels, or the Nashville Angels, etc.
Or, the Angels name goes the way of the Seattle Supersonics and they rebrand themselves entirely into a new city culture like the Oklahoma City Thunder. Thus the Angels move to a new city and become the Austin Roughriders or the Nashville Haybalers or the Raleigh Rollers, Presented by RJ Reynolds, or some such cutesy-local thing.
Regardless of names, or Sunbelt and Southern bigwigs who are probably already wooing Mr. Moreno to help boost his FBI legal defense fund, it will be a loss for California, for OC, and for Anaheim if they lose the Angels to a different state.
P.S. I really like that Raleigh Rollers name I just came up with fueled by my nightcap. If the team goes to North Carolina and its booming population, I think it could work. Maybe.
Hey gang, it's Raleigh Rollers King Size Nite this Friday! Bring the whole family, and get ready to smoke 'em!
I see your point and also want to say I appreciate your posts over the last couple of decades.
TP2000
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Phroobar
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Raleigh Rollers sounds like a Roller Derby team. The OC really needs more than two roller derby teams.P.S. I really like that Raleigh Rollers name I just came up with fueled by my nightcap. If the team goes to North Carolina and its booming population, I think it could work. Maybe.
Our League — Orange County Roller Derby
www.ocderby.com
Vegas Disney Fan
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Why would a new owner want to leave Anaheim? It seems like the ideal location close to thousands of hotel rooms, easy freeway access, etc. Is it a pain for locals to get to?
I’d be shocked if Vegas isn’t already talking to the Angels, we are desperately trying to get a baseball team and I think most residents here would much rather have the Angels than another Oakland transplant. Unfortunately I think the As is pretty much a done deal, I know Oakland is trying to come up with a plan to keep them but they’ve already got land here, short of a last second Hail Mary I think the As are here in a few years.
Stevek
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I originally thought Vegas as well but then remembered the A's thing. I think the new owner keeps them in So Cal, but could Long Beach some into play again? They could build an iconic stadium that looks out into the pacific next to the current LB arena. How about the Great Park area? And of course, the current Anaheim location as previously discussed.
In a perfect world, they stay in OC, move out of Anaheim and Disney buys that property and build a 3rd theme park though I do wonder if the apartments on the outskirts of the property make that very challenging. I can't imagine people living at The George complex would like to deal with the congestion and noise a theme park would bring.
Phroobar
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These people live next to a freeway. I don't think they have a problem with noise.
Great take. I’m going to find a thread about something I don’t care about and make a comment saying I don’t care about this particular discussion.
TP2000
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There's just a half dozen boomtown Sunbelt cities chomping at the bit for a MLB team.
Plus, I don't know that Anaheim has the fight in them to keep them, especially after the taint the last stadium deal left on everyone in town. I mean, my God, the mayor resigned and there's still an FBI van parked out in front of City Hall!
It's messy and embarrassing.
Vegas occurred to me as well, but I think the talks with Oakland are too far along for Anaheim to swoop in. Portland had a group and a stadium site trying to get something going pre-Covid. But that was back in 2018-19 and it seems like an eternity ago, and since then Portland has completely collapsed as a functioning city; it's downtown core is gutted now, no one goes near the central core, and they even had to re-route this year's Rose Festival Parade to avoid the downtown core because it's filled with homeless druggies and burned out buildings destroyed by Antifa and BLM riots.
When I heard Mr. Moreno was looking to sell the team, I just instantly thought Texas, Tennessee, Florida. In that order. But who knows? There's plenty of buyers out there.
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TP2000
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If I had to come up with a list of cities off the top of my head who have organizations who will, or already are, talking with Mr. Moreno about buying the Angels and moving them from Anaheim, the top five would be...
San Antonio
Nashville
Jacksonville
Austin
Raleigh
I think Charlotte is physically too close to Atlanta to make sense. But Raleigh could encompass the 10 million in North Carolina, as well as loop in the 4 Million residents of Richmond/Tidewater, as well as the two million or so in Lowcountry South Carolina who could be pried out of the Braves orbit to root for a "Carolina" team.
But that's where the money and the people are now, and where they are moving to. Salt Lake City could be a contender. Portland could have been until it fell apart up there in 2020-21. Oklahoma City is out there as a wild card too, that town has such a chip on their shoulder about competing with Texas that they'd do it just to say they could. My gut tells me if the Angels get bought, they are headed east out I-10 with the rest of the U-Haul trucks.
San Antonio
Nashville
Jacksonville
Austin
Raleigh
I think Charlotte is physically too close to Atlanta to make sense. But Raleigh could encompass the 10 million in North Carolina, as well as loop in the 4 Million residents of Richmond/Tidewater, as well as the two million or so in Lowcountry South Carolina who could be pried out of the Braves orbit to root for a "Carolina" team.
But that's where the money and the people are now, and where they are moving to. Salt Lake City could be a contender. Portland could have been until it fell apart up there in 2020-21. Oklahoma City is out there as a wild card too, that town has such a chip on their shoulder about competing with Texas that they'd do it just to say they could. My gut tells me if the Angels get bought, they are headed east out I-10 with the rest of the U-Haul trucks.