American Experience: Walt Disney on PBS Sept. 14-15

VJ

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I realized I had never posted my thoughts about Part 1. I thought it was a nice, fairly well-balanced (not too glowing but not too critical) look at the man, not the god, that was Walt Disney. As a pretty-much-lifelong Walt admirer (my dad bought me the Walt: The Man Behind the Myth DVD as a kid so that kinda shows I'm not that old), Part 1 was very nice and I appreciate that it showed the kind of darker side of Walt without not throwing it in your face too much. I'm hoping Part 2 continues in that same vein because Part 1 was excellent.
 

POLY LOVER

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He was "in many ways a dark soul" is accurate. We all are, if you mean we have had adversity, difficult relationships....etc. I mean, the guy had at least one nervous breakdown, so 'dark'...yeah. It doesn't mean that he WAS a dark soul but he had that side to him. He wasn't a cartoon character like some make or want him to be. He was a real human...warts and all.
The sum of the first half is that Walt had a tough childhood, worked his butt off, built a studio that thrived at times. Had an ego and was hard to work for. He also was a genius of sorts. Compelling viewing, very well made and will be glued to the tv for tonight. My only regret is that it's only four hours.

most men/women of history that did incredble things are complex men/women. They were powered by their ideas and vision and had such passion that it is sometimes hard for others who work for them to understand unless they have the same passion. The individual sometimes finds it hard to understand why others aren't as passionate as they are and can be hard to work for at times. They are the men/women that make history. Walt made history.
 

ULPO46

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What a great production from the folks up at PBS. The show has got me thinking on the EPCOT Project. In the beginning of his companies early days, it showed he didn't care about paying for his employees, eventually he realized that he needed to keep them happy. Originally The Florida Project was supposed to be the Magic Kingdom, a few hotels, and a shopping district. The Houses and Offices were meant to be lived in by the thousands of employees needed to run the facilities. Not that I think he was a cheap man, but what I have begun to rethink is that he planned to have employees live in company housing so he wouldn't have to give them annual raises or too many benefits, it would all be controlled by the company. That's just my opinion on the Florida Project. As for Walt himself, in the nearly 50 years since his death, I feel the American Public has hid the darkness which does lie within each and everyone of us. He was human. He made mistakes and sometimes he got lucky. So lucky that his name now heads one of the worlds largest independent companies. I'm rather glad this isn't a Disney project and rather does look into the man more in depth.
 

brb1006

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I loved every minute of the first half. I really enjoyed the rare photos and footage, that was great to see. Some things were really creepy, however, like the Mickey faces. Sheesh.

I appreciated the documentary going into the "bad" side of Walt Disney. A lot of folks like to think he had no flaws, and that just wasn't true. I'm really looking forward to the next installment tomorrow.
Was I the only one creeped out by the Walt caricature who turns out to look like a sea monsters during the Writer's strike?
 

lazyboy97o

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The whole "living at the studios to be one big family" was weird for me, too lol. I would have firmly said no, if I were in their positions.
"But the most exciting, by far the most important part of our Florida project—in fact, the heart of everything well be doing in Disney World—will be our experimental prototype city of tomorrow. We call it EPCOT, spelled E-P-C-O-T: Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow."
 
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Californian Elitist

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"But the most exciting, by far the most important part of our Florida project—in fact, the heart of everything well be doing in Disney World—will be our experimental prototype city of tomorrow. We call it EPCOT, spelled E-P-C-O-T: Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow."

Still find it odd. I understand his intentions, but still...
 

prberk

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Originally The Florida Project was supposed to be the Magic Kingdom, a few hotels, and a shopping district. The Houses and Offices were meant to be lived in by the thousands of employees needed to run the facilities. Not that I think he was a cheap man, but what I have begun to rethink is that he planned to have employees live in company housing so he wouldn't have to give them annual raises or too many benefits, it would all be controlled by the company. That's just my opinion on the Florida Project.

Actually, that is not correct. The original intention of The Florida Project was EPCOT, the Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow, a sort of think-tank city that brought together the greatest minds and companies in American industry to be efficient and come up with new ideas. It is explored as Walt intended in the 1966 "EPCOT" film, which can be found on the Internet in its entirety, but also is available on the "Tomorrowland" edition of the Walt Disney Treasures DVD. It was the last film that he made before he died, and he was heavily influenced, I think, by his experience with the 1964 New York World's Fair, where he worked with these corporations (like GE and Ford) to showcase their accompllshments. Remember, he believed in the Carousel of Progress. The hotels and suburbs were planned, along with REGULAR city parks (green zones) for the EPCOT project. There was a complete model made and seen in the Carousel for a while, and is now partly seen at DL's railroad.

The Magic Kingdom and tourist hotels were separate, and were largely added to appease the people in Florida, as well as to generate income to get the whole project going. It was something people understood (from Disneyland on TV) and would help pay for the larger EPCOT project. If you watch the EPCOT film, you will not see the Magic Kingdom except as a "vacation area." The main focus of the film, and Walt's intentions, was to make a new type of eutopian place to live that would attract the greatest minds and industries, again I think, flavored by the visions from the World's Fair and the real "urban planning" that Disneyland itself had been.

His death left Roy and the company to fulfill his dream, and they started with the easiest way, and the best way to appease Florida as well as to get some cash going quickly -- by creating the Vacation Kingdom (the MK and hotels) in the far North of the property, leaving the main property for EPCOT, while they figured it out. Ultimately, they decided to make EPCOT Center, a park that took the ideals of EPCOT and of the World's Fair, but had no residents -- moslty because they could not figure out how to incorporate residents without ceding control over time through voting rights, etc. Just too risky.

Still find it odd. I understand his intentions, but still...

I think you will find that his intentions may have been a little out there -- especially utopian -- but for the good. Would be curious to see what would have happened with EPCOT had he lived.
 

lazyboy97o

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I think you will find that his intentions may have been a little out there -- especially utopian -- but for the good. Would be curious to see what would have happened with EPCOT had he lived.
The form of EPCOT had been tried before Walt ever started dreaming of it and somewhat continues in New Urbanism.
 

lazyboy97o

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Have to say, the second half was a bit of a disappointment. It more followed what the public knew Disney was doing and not what Disney himself was doing, so the early arguments over WED are ignored and the Florida scouting was just done instead of starting years before.
 

disney4life2008

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Part 2 wasn't that great. I feel like they glazed over the drama and the dark side that should have been discussed between disneyland and the Florida project. To spend 15 minutes about his death was a waste, we know he died. I would have rather them talk about the crying mickey drawing. Disneyworld was discussed for maybe 5 minutes with information we know. Even they glossed over the opening day turmoil at disneyland except mentioning the heat and cement. I did enjoy ron miller commentary. I have a feeling someone did not want the real story of the last 15 years of his life told.
 

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