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Am I the only one who doesn't like how all the current lands being built each focus on 1 franchise?

Tom Morrow

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I think it depends on how developed and realized that IP's world is. Even though the Cars IP only consists of 2 movies and some shorts, it totally works as a land because the world represented in those movies is so rich and unique and realized. Same with Harry Potter, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, and even Avatar. I don't like the idea of a Toy Story land because Toy Story takes place in our world, and the whole premise for the attractions has to be that you're riding toy-sized things.
 

RoysCabin

Well-Known Member
I actually did experience something not too long ago that made me think of this issue of single-IP themed areas, and coincidentally it hit me as I was going to see a film of a Disney-owned IP: the latest Captain America movie.

I'm not comic book buff, but I do enjoy a number of superhero stories, shows, and films (grew up on the Batman and Justice League cartoons from DC), so I usually head into DC and Marvel films at least having some awareness of characters and potential story arcs, maybe a direct reference here and there. For the most part I enjoyed Civil War, but something hit me as it went on; I hadn't seen each and every film in the Marvel cinematic universe, and it started to get to me that not only did I only have a tenuous grasp of some of the newer characters and some of the references the story made, but there was actually one or two characters who had roles in the film whom I absolutely did not recognize at all. Just had no clue who they were. It didn't ruin the movie, but given that I had seen both The First Avenger, plus the actual first Avengers movie, as well as Winter Soldier, I really didn't think this would be an issue for me heading into Civil War. Obviously this is part of the synergistic concept of getting us to see each and every movie they put out in the MCU, the "don't miss this or you'll be lost!" concept, but it still irked me a little.

Thinking about it later, I kind of made a mental connection between that and themed lands; so much of what makes a Disney theme park tick is cultural nostalgia, something that hits you at times without you even realizing it, though it occasionally might smack you in the face. There are a few IPs out there that nearly the entire public can feel some connection to like that, and who are so ubiquitous that they influence tons of other franchises...but they're very few and far between. You don't get the full impact with them without having some level of nostalgic familiarity with the source material; it can still be good, still be enjoyable, but that last ingredient isn't there if you're not engrossed and getting those subtle synapse firings to make some type of cultural connection. It's why broad concepts like "Adventureland" work; the idea of a tropical, "exotic" locale speaks to the vast bulk of Disney's potential audience, and the concept is general enough that Disney can try out all sorts of concepts within it, from a pun-laden boat ride through the rivers of the world to a room filled with singing birds and tiki figures, and yes, even to an attraction here or there based on a film that fits the bill of "adventure" (e.g. Indiana Jones).

When you go single IP, you really do limit yourself, and you set yourself up for obsolescence once the theme of the area isn't cool anymore. Star Wars might dodge this; it's been around since 1977 and here in 2016 people still get surprised when they hear a friend hasn't seen Episode IV. Jurassic Park in Universal could dodge this, as it's a property based on theme parks and the very general theme of "here be dinosaurs", which is a great hook in and of itself. Harry Potter might work long term because of how many generations its fandom encapsulates and how dense the fictional world of Potter is. Cars might be work long term in Disneyland because the theme of "America's desert highways" has some cultural nostalgia appeal, so maybe the land could be adapted if the actual Cars movie theming doesn't last long term.

Point is, I don't think it's impossible to pull off well, and there are some franchises it can work very well with long term, but you have to really weigh which ones can last, because frankly, I don't think most of them can. Maybe Avatarland will be great, but what if the new Avatar films don't do amazing business? You've already limited the area to Avatar themed attractions and ideas and won't want to spend a ton to renovate it so soon after opening.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Uh oh, it's the forum police again.
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Says the one who searched out another thread just to post this. Public education fails again....
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I don't know where you're from, but for most people, reading 4 pages isn't that hard. Also, you entertain me. I will enjoy watching your posts for the foreseeable future. I will police the police.
Whatever floats your boat. But, school resumes shortly. Not that it would appear to matter much to you....
 

SteamboatJoe

Well-Known Member
Yes and no.

They work for movies whose settings have a very strong sense of place, are integral to the story, and when the lands themselves are designed in such a way that they are truly immersive. I also am of the belief that they should be reserved for proven film franchises whose popularity span generations.

Star Wars definitely checks most of these boxes but I am concerned about how immersive the design will be. Will I really feel like I am on the forest moon Endor or Tatooine or is it just going to be some new, generic environment that will only remotely feel like Star Wars because there is a Millenium Falcon sitting in it?

While Avatar, on the other hand, checks the former boxes but I really worry about the latter. Is that really a franchise that is going to be beloved by millions and span generations? I know there is a whole series of future films planned but if they flop, it is going to be an absolute disaster. Sure Pandora will look pretty but its a gamble I don't think I would've taken.
 
I think it's kind of a context thing. I'm fine with Star Wars land, because it's such a HUGE franchise with multiple films, cartoons, lots of lore, etc. I think having its own area makes sense, there's a lot there. I could even totally get a Marvel land (if the Universal thing ever got untangled), because there's just so much lore there, and it has so much iconic stuff to it.

I feel REALLY weird about Avatarland, however. It has basically zero Disney relationship, and while it was a big deal when it first came out, it's been almost a decade and (keep in mind this is entirely subjective) it seems like most people struggle even to remember it. I don't understand the rhyme or reason of dedicating a whole Disney park area to it--it doesn't seem to fit, and it's current level of popularity doesn't seem to match up.

While I could easily see the sense behind stuff like Marvel and Star Wars, the Pandora thing just seems like there wasn't a lot of foresight, and lots of other exciting ideas could be in its place.

(What?? No, I'm not bitter over silly things. Pfft.)
 

morningstar

Well-Known Member
This seems like a slightly different discussion than the usual one of whether they should use IPs at all. It's the question of whether IPs should take over whole lands.

The alternative is to have generic themes for lands like frontier, future, Asia. That's the formula that's been quite successful for Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom. I'd like to see that continued, but it's hard to see how that would work today. Back when Disneyland was created, Western movies were incredibly popular. They all had different plots, but the scenery was generally pretty similar, and to some extent the characters too. Sci-fi also shared a lot of common elements. Nowadays, each individual film has its own style. That's a good thing, but it makes it hard to make a land that makes reference to a whole genre.

The other alternative is to do away with "lands" altogether and just have individual attractions scattered around the park. This is essentially what you have in Hollywood Studios. I mean you have Twilight Zone next to Aerosmith. What do these two have to do with each other? I don't think this has worked out really well, because I think it contributes to HS being hard to navigate.
 

KikoKea

Well-Known Member
When we heard Disney had purchased SW, DH and I spent a 'cheap date' at McD's discussing how we would plan a SW park at WDW. Our scheme included several lands from the original movies, with restaurants and one that recreated the cantina and had AA musicians. I'd rather see SW in a 5th gate with Avatarland ("Other Worlds" or some such) that could be devoted to sci-fi sort of fantasy. But, that's just armchair imagineering over fries and a Coke.
 

Captain Barbossa

Well-Known Member
I mean, look at Star Wars Land and Toy Story Land! They're being built in HWS, but they both focus on ONE movie franchise. HWS was supposed to be about all movies and their studios and filmmakers! There's a big missed opportunity for SWL and TSL to focus not just on one movie franchise, but also the movie studios that made those franchises, as well as the other franchises they made! SWL could've been George Lucas Land or Lucasfilm Land or something and also had Indiana Jones stuff and they could've ported the IJ ride from DLR (and speaking of IJ, SWL could've also been George Lucas/Steven Spielberg Land, although Spielberg has made a lot more movies with Universal)! Also, TSL could've been Pixar Land! Plus, what does Avatar Land have to do with animals? Aliens? I know I'm nitpicking, but I'm just saying that it just doesn't make sense to make a theme park area focused on one movie franchise. They could've had them focus on the studios and their filmmakers instead (although I know they definitely couldn't do that with Avatar Land (a Titanic ride? Plus, Terminator is not kid-friendly and unfortunately the rights to a Terminator theme park attraction are owned by a certain company obsessed with motion simulators), especially since that's in AK). I'm sorry if I sound like I'm ranting, I'm just sad that Disney's making these upcoming lands like this. I know the rides/lands will be good, I'm just... a little disappointed.
I completely agree with you. DHS is lost
 

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