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Disney Irish

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The way you read what? The five examples? Disney hasn’t updated Journey into Imagination in decades but that isn’t evidence that they can’t, and it’s nearly as well received an attraction.

The Incredible Hulk Coaster rebuild involved changing show elements which all required approval. They worked on concepts, a process that involves approval.
Refurbing Hulk and adding new show elements is a whole lot different than adding a whole new attraction for say Silk and/or Black Cat. Both of which don't appear in the area but are technically eligible since they are part of the Spider-Man family of characters umbrella. And for which I highly doubt Disney would give approval to use.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Refurbing Hulk and adding new show elements is a whole lot different than adding a whole new attraction for say Silk and/or Black Cat. Both of which don't appear in the area but are technically eligible since they are part of the Spider-Man family of characters umbrella. And for which I highly doubt Disney would give approval to use.
There are published patents for the Iron Man ride. They weren’t going to waste money on something like that if they weren’t allowed to developed new attractions.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There are published patents for the Iron Man ride. They weren’t going to waste money on something like that if they weren’t allowed to developed new attractions.
As we know from Disney, publishing a patent with examples isn't an indication of actual use. How many Disney patents have been published over the years where they gave examples of character uses that never made it into the Parks or were used for other characters that never was provided in the patent. 100s? 1000s?

Perfect example is the pendulum attraction where Spider-Man was used as an example, never materialized. Wasted money for something they've never used. So Uni isn't capable of the same thing?
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
As we know from Disney, publishing a patent with examples isn't an indication of actual use. How many Disney patents have been published over the years where they gave examples of character uses that never made it into the Parks or were used for other characters that never was provided in the patent. 100s? 1000s?

Perfect example is the pendulum attraction where Spider-Man was used as an example, never materialized.
That doesn’t address my point. Of course things don’t go through but that doesn’t mean they weren’t the result of work and actual projects. Disney also does a lot more pure research and development, and Universal Creative was a much smaller, still more reliant on third-party vendors team when the attraction concept was developed, so it’s not an even comparison. The Iron Man ride was a real project and it would not have been if Disney could have just killed it.

Disney also very much explored how they could kill all of the various Marvel licensing deals. Whether it be through just refusing approval or claiming insufficient upkeep. They determined it so not worth the effort that they proceeded with granting approval to IMG Worlds of Adventure
 

Rich T

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…as I think AID will be a modern version of the same basic experience….
But not East of the Mississippi unless Universal axes IoA Marvel. 😃

What I love most about Spiderman at IoA is how it perfectly captures the spirit of that character and his role in that world. The story is clear, snappy, fun, relatable and to-the-point. Every guest knows exactly what is happening when the vehicle gets struck by the anti-grav ray, and it’s always fun to hear the reactions of first-time riders during that aerial battle finale.

And I compare that to Cosmic Rewind, which in my opinion is a great coaster saddled with one of the most boring preshows and ridiculous who-cares attempts at a “story” I’ve ever experienced on a major attraction (but at least the Guardians aren’t recruiting guests to find animal musicians.)

Which is my way of saying that, in the U.S. Marvel rides dept., I give Disney 0 out of 3 so far in the storytelling dept. I hope they do much better with AID, but I’ll be astonished if it’s as compelling and fun as IoA’s Spiderman.

I have no idea what Universal’s going to do with the DC/Marvel situation , but I can’t wait to find out. Lots of possibilities. Is Marvel Island worth keeping locked in time to prevent Disney from using those characters at WDW? It’ll be very entertaining to find out. Heck, DC could go to Epic for all I know.

But I have to admit, I love the thought of a huge I-4 billboard featuring nearly every famous Marvel and DC character with the slogan, “Heroes Are Universal.” It could beat out my current favorite: “We Have a T-Rex.” 😃
 
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Disney Irish

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That doesn’t address my point. Of course things don’t go through but that doesn’t mean they weren’t the result of work and actual projects. Disney also does a lot more pure research and development, and Universal Creative was a much smaller, still more reliant on third-party vendors team when the attraction concept was developed, so it’s not an even comparison. The Iron Man ride was a real project and it would not have been if Disney could have just killed it.

Disney also very much explored how they could kill all of the various Marvel licensing deals. Whether it be through just refusing approval or claiming insufficient upkeep. They determined it so not worth the effort that they proceeded with granting approval to IMG Worlds of Adventure
So let me address it in another way. There was no direct reference to Iron Man by name in the patent, only a basic drawing which one could say resembled him, really could also resemble a Sentinel from X-Men, but they never called the character by name. Which indicates that they didn't have approval to use it, and didn't know 100% if they could move forward with it.


So just because a patent was filed with a drawing of a character as an example that resembles something doesn't mean it would have been approved by the party who has to approve it. To say otherwise is just not being honest. Maybe the whole reason why it never moved forward was because Disney found a way to reject it. Maybe Uni decided it wasn't worth it to try to get it approved. Or a whole host of other reasons why it never moved forward. The fact that a patent was filed in itself is not proof that they can move forward with anything.
 

lazyboy97o

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So let me address it in another way. There was no direct reference to Iron Man by name in the patent, only a basic drawing which one could say resembled him, really could also resemble a Sentinel from X-Men, but they never called the character by name. Which indicates that they didn't have approval to use it, and didn't know 100% if they could move forward with it.


So just because a patent was filed with a drawing of a character as an example that resembles something doesn't mean it would have been approved by the party who has to approve it. To say otherwise is just not being honest. Maybe the whole reason why it never moved forward was because Disney found a way to reject it. Maybe Uni decided it wasn't worth it to try to get it approved. Or a whole host of other reasons why it never moved forward. The fact that a patent was filed in itself is not proof that they can move forward with anything.
The lack of unrelated IP, especially licensed property, in a patent is a good practice in general.

I’m not making inferences based on what the drawings look like. The project was not killed by Disney.
 

Rich Brownn

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Can Universal not add any attractions themed to Marvel Comics to Islands if they still hold the theme park rights? I know it wouldn't be MCU but are Universal no longer allowed to do anything with the comic books??
They can add or modify and existing attraction so long as as it retains the 1990s comic book look and doesn't cheapen the franchise. However, I'd imagine adding any DC would invoke the second clause.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
They can add or modify and existing attraction so long as as it retains the 1990s comic book look and doesn't cheapen the franchise. However, I'd imagine adding any DC would invoke the second clause.
There is nothing that specifies retaining the 90s comic book look. It says designs must be consistent with Marvel’s style guides.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
They can replace it while also building new Marvel attractions. Just like they have the DC rights without any current DC attractions.
They have to maintain a dedicated Marvel land. A lot of the contract is also specific to the “second gate” which could require it to be in Islands of Adventure.

They have no DC attractions because they don’t have the rights.
 

PiratesMansion

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They can replace it while also building new Marvel attractions. Just like they have the DC rights without any current DC attractions.
I'm pretty sure Six Flags has exclusive rights to the DC characters within the US, and has had them as such for some time.

The first Batman: The Ride (and also the first DC-branded attraction) debuted in 1992. There also was a period not all that long ago where almost everything Six Flags was building was themed to DC in some way or another.

Presumably part of the reason Universal opted for Marvel in the first place was that the rights to the DC characters, which absolutely would have been the more marketable option in the 90s, were already taken.

Given that DC is easily the most popular licensed brand Six Flags currently has the rights to, I don't see them eager to let Universal gobble up or share those rights, nor do I think it's particularly marketable to shift from one superhero universe to another in any capacity.
 

Rich Brownn

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I'm pretty sure Six Flags has exclusive rights to the DC characters within the US, and has had them as such for some time.

The first Batman: The Ride (and also the first DC-branded attraction) debuted in 1992. There also was a period not all that long ago where almost everything Six Flags was building was themed to DC in some way or another.

Presumably part of the reason Universal opted for Marvel in the first place was that the rights to the DC characters, which absolutely would have been the more marketable option in the 90s, were already taken.

Given that DC is easily the most popular licensed brand Six Flags currently has the rights to, I don't see them eager to let Universal gobble up or share those rights, nor do I think it's particularly marketable to shift from one superhero universe to another in any capacity.
Actually Universal went with Marvel over the licensing fees, not Six Flags' contract. Although the difference was just a few percentage points Marvel, nearly bankrupt at the time, offered rights in perpetuity (i.e., forever) which sealed the deal.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Over In Florida: Park news sites are reporting that Universal has filed notice of a new Intamin ride to be bullt in IoA’s current/former Lost Continent area.

If this does indeed happen, I can think of several possibilities. Whatever the land’s new theme, I’m rooting for what I think is a long-shot: I’d love to see UO get the Efteling Danse Macabre ride system into IoA. What a perfect fit, though a Hiccup’s-like lengthy family thrill coaster or an indoor adventure using Intamin’s new dark ride tech would also round out the park’s lineup beautifully!

Whatever’s in store, I can’t wait to find out exactly what’s going into that ride-starved section of IoA!
It’s not for Project 555. It’s a short burn permit for an address that covers the entire property.
 

Rich T

Well-Known Member
It’s not for Project 555. It’s a short burn permit for an address that covers the entire property.
Just to be clear, are you referring to the reported notice of commencement filed on Dec. 16 2025 specifically naming Intamin as the contractor and “specialty equipment” as the description of improvements? Two park news sites are reporting that the parcel location is specifically the Lost Continent. I have no clue myself whether or not those numbers match. What are your thoughts?

Regardless of what actually happens, I’m still going to root for UO getting an Intamin Dynamic Motion Stage attraction some day. 😃
 
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lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Just to be clear, are you referring to the reported notice of commencement filed on Dec. 16 2025 specifically naming Intamin as the contractor and “specialty equipment” as the description of improvements? Two park news sites are reporting that the parcel location is specifically the Lost Continent. I have no clue myself whether or not those numbers match. What are your thoughts?

Regardless of what actually happens, I’m still going to root for UO getting an intamin Dynamic Motion Stage attraction some day. 😃
Yes, I am referring to that notice. Lost Continent hasn’t even been torn down yet, so there’s nothing there for Intamin to do between now and the end of February 2026 when the notice says the work will be done.
 

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