All our plans may fall apart

PMC0849

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My wife and I booked our trip for September 25th-October 4th, got approval from work, plan tickets, made a bunch of plans. Now, due to some company accidentally scheduling something during Yom Kippur, they have to change the date, and if they do to a time our trip would be, my wife's company will revoke their approval!! Has anything similar ever happened to you? In all of our years together there has never been a vacation request that has come even close to being denied, so this is new to me.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
My wife and I booked our trip for September 25th-October 4th, got approval from work, plan tickets, made a bunch of plans. Now, due to some company accidentally scheduling something during Yom Kippur, they have to change the date, and if they do to a time our trip would be, my wife's company will revoke their approval!! Has anything similar ever happened to you? In all of our years together there has never been a vacation request that has come even close to being denied, so this is new to me.

ehhh...All companies have different rules. But just tell them it is all booked and non-refundable and they will need to pay for it if they want to take away the approval.
 
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Weather_Lady

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Ugh, I'm sorry you're in this situation! I'm afraid there's no recourse for you, legally speaking (e.g., you can't demand that the company pay for the lost vacation if they revoke their approval -- well, you could, but all they have to do is say "no," and unless you can prove some negligence or malicious intent on their part or unless your wife has a contractual right to the vacation once approved, you can't force them to pay).

Does your wife's company have an employee handbook that describes her rights (or lack thereof) in this situation? If not, is there somebody higher-up to whom she can speak and get her request "re-approved," politely explaining that this vacation was already approved and has now been bought and paid-for based on her good faith reliance on the company's grant of her time-off request? At the end of the day, the best bet is often to find some executive with a touch of human kindness and reason (if, indeed, one can be found), who is powerful enough to override her direct supervisors. If none can be located, and if her company insists on her relinquishing thousands of dollars based on its own whims, she might consider whether a future at such a place is worth the sacrifice. (Having once worked for such a place, and having finally worked up the courage to find greener pastures, my only regret is that I didn't leave years before, the first time I was flippantly ordered to sacrifice a pre-approved, once-in-a-lifetime, family event, in order to meet a boss's entirely arbitrary, yet inflexible, deadline. Such sacrifices may prove an employee's loyalty to their employer, but they never seem to engender any loyalty on the part of the employer toward the employee.)

Also, a word to the wise: next time, buy vacation insurance immediately upon making your first down payment on the trip, with a "cancel for any reason" rider that will give you a full refund if, as Chinua Achebe said, Things Fall Apart. (We typically get it through Travelguard, but to get "cancel for any reason" coverage you have to buy the insurance within a couple of weeks of your initial deposit.) Paying a couple hundred dollars to protect a several-thousand dollar investment is worth the peace of mind.
 
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JasonDeyoung

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That's is very frustrating! Had a similar, well not really but work time off issue before. Was this past January for marathon weekend. Had time off approved and the week before, after having it planned for almost a year my work tells me I may need to work. Luckily for me I love an hour away so flights etc weren't a worry. Two days before I got word I could go. So I can sorta understand your frustration. If it's approved they shouldn't be able to revoke it after but unfortunetly I guess some places will. Best of luck, hope ya make it
 
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BigRedDad

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Not exactly the same thing, but my whole department is taking vacation the same week in July. Instead of changing plans for anyone, we are just going to manage anything critical while away. We have no backup any way. You are responsible for your work. It is easier to jump on early in the morning, spend 30 minutes closing out critical items, checking back in the afternoon when we get back for a break.

For me it is easier to just manage the issues that are required than to change plans. In the end the work will get done and there are no real delays.
 
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CAPTAIN HOOK

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I would suggest that unless it is written into your contract, your company cannot cancel your leave once they've agreed to it in writing. It forms part of a contract and would enable you to sue your company for everything you've spent and will lose
 
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iluvMainStMagic

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If the company lets you know at least 45 days prior to your travel dates (which is the date by which final payment for a package is due), you can at least cancel/change your WDW reservation without penalty or change fee.

Many airline tickets these days are no refund/no changes, especially the more affordable ones. If this does happen, since you have probably already paid for the airfare, it might be worth asking if they would allow you to reschedule (most likely for a change fee) so you can salvage what you have already paid, rather than totally losing it. There may be a difference in the cost of the new flights, but it would still keep you from losing the entire amount. Or they might give you a voucher good for the amount you have already paid for your airfare, which you can use towards booking other flights....plus a change fee.....nothing for free anymore....

Depending on the time of year, you could probably still (hopefully) be able to re-book some/most of the plans you have made.
Good Luck!! I hope the company doesn't make you change your plans! I would have the same concerns :( I hope it all works out ok for you!
 
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PhilharMagician

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Happened once to many years ago. Fully paid non-refundable trip and the company said no after it was already approved many months before. The company paid for my prepaid losses which was nice. I am not sure if nice is the right word for making me cancel a vacation, but they could have left me even more mad by not paying for my lost monies.

Every company is different. It stinks, but see if they will either reconsider or possibly compensate her for the losses to reschedule. I do not recommend forcing the companies hand with a threat. If she is unhappy with the outcome then look for another place to work.
 
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JIMINYCR

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Weve never had a job related crisis but we did have a health issue that could have forced us to cancel... but fortunately things turned around and we did go. Another year we had a relative whose cancer was worsening and we were unsure if they might not survive the time we were gone. Again things turned out for the better. So none of our trips were ever cancelled but we were holding our breaths waiting for the bad news to hit.

Is there anyone she can approach personally within the company to discuss the trip dilemma? Failing that, would you be able to go on a trip without her along? Or possibly go with a friend?
 
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rob0519

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And then you sue for unfair dismissal

If it's a large corporation, their lawyers will stonewall you into bankruptcy or get you to simply drop the suit trying to pay your attorney's hourly rates. More than like no attorney would take a case like that on a contingency basis. I've seen it happen more than once.

You may have some moderate success with a small to mid size company, but again, any amount received as a settlement or judgment would be significantly decreased by your attorney's fees. Only the individuals involved can decide if such actions are worth all that trouble.
 
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JIMINYCR

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Well good news! My wife talked with her boss, and he re-approved the trip! Back to making ADRs!

Now thats cause for celebration!!!
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Now she has to remember National Boss Day is October 16 and do it up big!!!!
 
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Weather_Lady

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I would suggest that unless it is written into your contract, your company cannot cancel your leave once they've agreed to it in writing. It forms part of a contract and would enable you to sue your company for everything you've spent and will lose

As an attorney with over a decade of experience in labor and employment, I respectfully disagree. Absent some provision of state law or a binding contractual clause to the contrary, an employer's agreement to your leave-taking (or to anything else) does not automatically merge into your employment contract, and most employment contracts have a specific merger clause to prevent you from straight-facedly arguing such a thing. If you don't have an employment contract and are an at-will employee, you are even more vulnerable, and your employer can be as fickle and unreasonable as he/she/it likes, so long as they aren't acting with an unlawful (e.g., discriminatory) motive.
 
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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
And watch your manager laugh his posterior off when you make that request, The usual thing when this happens to me is rest of family goes on vacation and I go to work.

Where I work, we look out and care for one another. ;)

I understand not all companies operate within a culture like this...hence my "ehhh..all companies have different rules" comment.
 
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jloucks

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My wife and I booked our trip for September 25th-October 4th, got approval from work, plan tickets, made a bunch of plans. Now, due to some company accidentally scheduling something during Yom Kippur, they have to change the date, and if they do to a time our trip would be, my wife's company will revoke their approval!! Has anything similar ever happened to you? In all of our years together there has never been a vacation request that has come even close to being denied, so this is new to me.

Every place I have every worked, once you get vacation approval in writing, you can appeal to a higher power your situation and receive special dispensation. In the event they have to cancel your vacation still, reimbursement fpr whatever you have already invested would be a reasonable assumption. If they refuse to reimburse, you have some hard decisions to make.

Quit - Find another job. Depends on pay and benefits. If you wife works at taco bell, this is a no brainier. If she is making 6 digits and carriers the health insurance... probably best to move to option 2 below.

Stay - chalk it up to a learning experience, and always get travel insurance in the future because you work for a ****-*** rat **** ******* slimey ****** dog ***** doo doo head.
 
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