After Iger.....

copcarguyp71

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I agree with the good for shareholders part, I am one too.

However, a better company? If your only measure is profits, yes. If your measure is a better experience in the parks, it's a resounding no. The parks have never been in more need of an infusion and literally 90% of what's there is because of the geniuses BEFORE Iger.

They are truly standing on the shoulders of the geniuses before them. Failing to invest significantly in things that matter at WDW parks is truly catching up with them. They've done a decent job maintaining status quo, but they certainly haven't gone out on a limb to separate the parks like Disney should. It's as if they managed the parks to "not mess up" instead of taking them to the next level. Splash Mountain, Everest, RNR, Tower of Terror, Animal Kingdom, and many others were much more ambitious projects not seen since the Eisner years.

Bravo! Glad you have the bravado to speak the truth despite your stock holdings. THIS is exactly my point. The company is doing well yes, but the parks are treading water and only adding resorts to pack the parks while leaving the "plus-ing" to their competitor elsewhere in Orlando.
 

Chef Mickey

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Bravo! Glad you have the bravado to speak the truth despite your stock holdings. THIS is exactly my point. The company is doing well yes, but the parks are treading water and only adding resorts to pack the parks while leaving the "plus-ing" to their competitor elsewhere in Orlando.
I believe we could have both and I certainly believe the stock would be just as strong if they'd infused more in the parks in Orlando. They don't need to pinch pennies so hard.

I believe Orlando is the Disney flagship. It should be better than DL. I still think it is, but it should be many, many times better. The Magic Kingdom should be the best Disney experience in the world. It should be constantly improving. There should never be a closed building at EPCOT or dying areas. We shouldn't have to sacrifice Maelstrom for Frozen. They want Frozen? BUILD IT.

There should never be the mess at DHS and the slow moving updates to AK. These things are just a reflection of cheap management and a lazy mentality.

Eisner's legacy is stock performance. Great job, but little else other than squeezing the turnip. New Fantasyland was a positive for WDW, but that's really the only major thing he's executed at WDW on his watch. It was slow, over budget, and not incredible to be perfectly honest. EPCOT was left for dead, DHS is on the verge of death, and AK hasn't received an update since it was opened.

Good enough really isn't.
 

Dad 2 M & M

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The time of Iger's tenure must be mentioned....Economy was in terrible shape and is still not in sustainable recovery....no excuse for the condition of many pieces of the World, but he has had to deal with tough times.
 

Matt_Black

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The time of Iger's tenure must be mentioned....Economy was in terrible shape and is still not in sustainable recovery....no excuse for the condition of many pieces of the World, but he has had to deal with tough times.

Quite right, and that's to say nothing of the years of the post 9/11 travel slump.
 

Chef Mickey

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Except scientific studies have shown people learn more from success than from failure.
Probably not as true in business situations. Typically failure in business either puts you out of the game or forces you to do better.

At any rate, Eisner had a lot of success too. I'm just saying he was the better CEO for WDW. Iger is a great CEO in a a lot of ways, but there is little denying he's let WDW coast.
 

Chef Mickey

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Just wondering...if the Iger regime were to fix up all the WDW park problems that folks are always carping about, would he be "OK" in everyone's eyes then? It sure seems that every other part of the company is doing what it's supposed to do...make money and make folks happy. And, for arguments sake, DL seems just dandy these days.So, is it just a WDW issue really? If so, then overall how can you really say that by any stretch he's doing a lousy job? Profit...check...record stock value...check....crazy successful acquisitions (and Star Wars hasn't even hit yet)...check...hit movies and reinvigorated animation division...check. I don't get it...check.
Because this is a WDW Forum. I think the opinions expressed here will be biased toward Disney World and the state of its parks and resorts. Iger did a great job in all the areas you mentioned, but as I said, he never really put himself out there. The failed Magic Bands have been his biggest expenditure with mixed, if not terrible results so far. The cost is approaching (or now beyond) $2b for a system with questionable results to this point. Some of that money should and could have been put to work in EPCOT, DHS, and AK. Since Disney is so profitable and successful, these mistakes are less obvious and less debilitating.

It's not all on Iger, but there is little doubt the next CEO will have a bigger task in advancing WDW than he should. I think there is little denying that WDW in particular suffered during Iger's reign. It was still managed pretty well and New Fantasyland was a plus, but he's almost let EPCOT and DHS die or at minimum remain on autopilot for going on 10 years.

Great CEO, could and should have done more to push WDW.
 

draybook

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Just wondering...if the Iger regime were to fix up all the WDW park problems that folks are always carping about, would he be "OK" in everyone's eyes then? It sure seems that every other part of the company is doing what it's supposed to do...make money and make folks happy. And, for arguments sake, DL seems just dandy these days.So, is it just a WDW issue really? If so, then overall how can you really say that by any stretch he's doing a lousy job? Profit...check...record stock value...check....crazy successful acquisitions (and Star Wars hasn't even hit yet)...check...hit movies and reinvigorated animation division...check. I don't get it...check.


I think you skipped over the parts where we have all acknowledged his financial success. But your statement about "the company doing what they're supposed to do" is what strikes a nerve with the folks here. Didn't the company once used to be about making profits AND creating new and enjoyable attractions in the parks?
 

copcarguyp71

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Just wondering...if the Iger regime were to fix up all the WDW park problems that folks are always carping about, would he be "OK" in everyone's eyes then? It sure seems that every other part of the company is doing what it's supposed to do...make money and make folks happy. And, for arguments sake, DL seems just dandy these days.So, is it just a WDW issue really? If so, then overall how can you really say that by any stretch he's doing a lousy job? Profit...check...record stock value...check....crazy successful acquisitions (and Star Wars hasn't even hit yet)...check...hit movies and reinvigorated animation division...check. I don't get it...check.

Well...probably because it is WDW Magic. This is a forum all about the parks and fiscal well being of any other aspect of the company really bears little consideration where this subject matter is concerned. In essence THAT is how we can say he is doing a lousy job without stretching even a little bit. If this were Disney Stockholders Magic then I am sure the discussions would be far different but it is not...it is a forum topic specifically called "WDW Parks General Discussion" Although the word "general" can be stretched a bit I do not think it can be stretched to the point of the Disney Galactic Empire over just general parks discussion.

So, there in a nutshell is my summation of how folks here on the forum can say he is doing a lousy job.
 

MarkTwain

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Iger's great financially but a creative failure. He's great at constantly finding new ways to leverage Disney's brands (a Wall Street guy through and through) but he's a complete failure at finding anything new to bring to the Disney name. All of his successes have been about reviving, rebooting, or capitalizing on brands and content that had already been created by the Disney company:

- Pirates of the Caribbean 4
- Alice in Wonderland live-action movie
- live-action movie based on Sleeping Beauty
- New Fantasyland (even with 7DMT, it's princess franchises galore)
- Disney Infinity (a videogame all about existing Disney characters)
- Once Upon A Time on ABC (TV show about "adult" versions of Disney characters)
- Sofia the First does the same for the toddler set
- turning Pixar from the world's most celebrated art house animation studio into a factory that churns out sequels to Disney's merchandising hits (after The Good Dinosaur, we're getting four sequels IN A ROW)
- 2 new Disney Cruise Line ships that are stuffed to the smokestacks with Pixar references, down to the signature dining restaurant based on Ratatouille
- makeovers to DCA and Disney Studio Paris that, although successful, are primarily based on Pixar, and make the until-then unprecedented moves of introducing entire lands centered around a single brand
- selling off huge chunks of the Seven Seas Lagoon coast, and those views of Cinderella Castle that 70s-era WED imagineers worked to establish almost 50 years ago, in the interest of selling DVC timeshares
- … And last but not least, acquiring several content-creating companies that had already established themselves, from comic book franchises to YouTube video companies to video game developers, instead of trying within the company to create successful content in those media

Frozen may be one of his few big accomplishments that wasn't 100% capitalizing on a prior success, and even that could be said to simply be an extension of the princess franchise. It also seems to largely have been an accident, seeing as Disney publicly showed little confidence in the film prior to the international craze in early 2014, and its success still doesn't seem to have given them any confidence in the next original animated feature from that same studio, Big Hero 6 (and even that is just a revival of an existing Marvel property).

All of that is fine and dandy, but at some point you have to wonder when Disney is going to turn out the next original creation. For what is supposed to be one of the top companies in the world for creativity, when are we going to see something, you know, creative? Leveraging characters created by animators back in the 1950s is great (Alice, Maleficent, and soon Cinderella) but what happens when you've plundered your entire 1950s film library and have nothing else to spin off? What do you do when the entire Seven Seas Lagoon is sold to DVC? When people finally get sick of Jack Sparrow and Pirates 5 or 6 plummets at the box office, what is the next big franchise to take its place?

Instead of finding so many ways to capitalize on his existing content or buying outside companies, Iger could've been creating the next Pirates 1, the next superhero cinematic universe, or the next masterpiece of Imagineering that people will want a view of from their DVC timeshare.

But he didn't. He's just a brand guy.

So really, it's not just a WDW problem. Iger has created a culture of creative bankruptcy and corporate complacency that has poisoned the entire Disney company.
 
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Chef Mickey

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Iger's great financially but a creative failure. He's great at constantly finding new ways to leverage Disney's brands (a Wall Street guy through and through) but he's a complete failure at finding anything new to bring to the Disney name. All of his successes have been about reviving, rebooting, or capitalizing on brands and content that had already been created by the Disney company:

- Pirates of the Caribbean 4
- Alice in Wonderland live-action movie
- life-action movie based on Sleeping Beauty
- New Fantasyland (even with seven DMT, it's princess franchises galore)
- Disney Infinity (a videogame all about existing Disney characters)
- Once Upon A Time on ABC (TV show about "adult" versions of Disney characters)
- Sofia the First does the same for the toddler set
- turning Pixar from the world's most celebrated art house animation studio into a factory that churns out sequels to Disney's merchandising hits (after The Good Dinosaur, we're getting four sequels IN A ROW)
- 2 new Disney Cruise Line ships that are stuffed to the smokestacks with Pixar references, down to the signature dining restaurant based on Ratatouille
- makeovers to DCA and Disney Studio Paris that, although successful, are primarily based on Pixar, and make the until-then unprecedented moves of introducing entire lands centered around a single brand
- selling off huge chunks of the Seven Seas Lagoon coast, and those views of Cinderella Castle that 70s-era WED imagineers worked to establish almost 50 years ago, in the interest of selling DVC timeshares
- … And last but not least, acquiring several content-creating companies that had already established themselves, from comic book franchises to YouTube video companies to video game developers, instead of trying within the company to create successful content in those media

Frozen may be one of his few big accomplishments that wasn't 100% capitalizing on a prior success, and even that could be said to simply be an extension of the princess franchise. It also seems to largely have been an accident, seeing as Disney publicly showed little confidence in the film prior to the international craze in early 2014, and its success still doesn't seem to have given them any confidence in the next original animated feature from that same studio, Big Hero 6 (and even that is just a revival of an existing Marvel property).

All of that is fine and dandy, but at some point you have to wonder when Disney is going to turn out the next original creation. For what is supposed to be one of the top companies in the world for creativity, when are we going to see something, you know, creative? Leveraging characters created by animators back in the 1950s is great (Alice, Maleficent, and soon Cinderella) but what happens when you've plundered your entire 1950s film library and have nothing else to spin off? What do you do when the entire Seven Seas Lagoon is sold to DVC? When people finally get sick of Jack Sparrow and Pirates 5 or 6 plummets at the box office, what is the next big franchise to take its place?

Instead of finding so many ways to capitalize on his existing content or buying outside companies, Iger could've been creating the next Pirates 1, the next superhero cinematic universe, or the next masterpiece of Imagineering that people will want a view of from their DVC timeshare.

But he didn't. He's just a brand guy.

So really, it's not just a WDW problem. Iger has created a culture of creative bankruptcy and corporate complacency that has poisoned the entire Disney company.
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JordanNite

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Iger is working well on the theme parks now. It's something that Disney fell into near the end of the Eisner era, and was build the parks cheap and lazily, becuase people are going to come anyway. Iger's team created Cars Land, they're fixing up DHS, Avatar Land is on the way, and New Fantasyland just to name a few has also been opened. It takes time to fix these things up, and I think he's doing a good job

You my friend are Iger, or at least have a vested interest in Iger. He was been diabolical for the Theme Park division of Disney - the worst CEO imgainable - and it's a disaster he's been given more years.
 

JordanNite

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I think the announcement on MGM is coming after Thanksgiving or the holdiays. I wish they would just announce it already ,but it looks like they're pulling a "Universal" and building something new without announcing it. I think a Pixar expansion is happening very soon.

Nonsense, most of these plans are 'leaked' , probably deliberately well in advance to create an underground hype going. Universal didn't announce the 2nd stage of Harry Potter, but everyone knew. Everyone knew about Fantasyland before it was official spoken off. Same with King Kong now - eeveryone knows.
 

Chef Mickey

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Iger is working well on the theme parks now. It's something that Disney fell into near the end of the Eisner era, and was build the parks cheap and lazily, becuase people are going to come anyway. Iger's team created Cars Land, they're fixing up DHS, Avatar Land is on the way, and New Fantasyland just to name a few has also been opened. It takes time to fix these things up, and I think he's doing a good job
Confused. So he's waited nearly 10 years to meaningfully work on WDW? Literally the only major project he's completed at WDW is New Fantasyland, which I'll say AGAIN is mediocre. The best thing about it is the space it added. It could have been done sooner and should have been better than what was executed.

The DHS and Avatarland updated you mentioned are not only not here yet, they're long overdue and the jury is still out how well they'll be executed.

Remember, we are TEN years into Iger's run.

What has he done with EPCOT other than let stuff die? DHS? Animal Kingdom? Or has he just not gotten to those yet but still doing a good job?

Again, great CEO in terms of profitability and getting butts in the parks. Terrible CEO for WDW specifically and that is really all anyone is talking about. Making the argument that he's been good for WDW is really just completely comical.
 

gsimpson

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While Iger is not perfect by any means, and yes I too am a stock holder, to say he hasn't done anything to help P & R is fairly odd. He took that imagined paragon of Disney theme park design - DCA - and turned it into something worth going to. Under his watch they have poured a ton of money into DL, which they had to because previous regimes allowed it to rot into an outdoor shopping mall. Eisner did a great job of alienate pretty much everyone who dealt with Disney, including Pixar and Lucas, and Iger put those relationships back together and then brought their IP into the fold. I also hate to break the news, but most of those 1950s movies were not original Disney concepts, they were stories that many of which had already been done and Disney just did them differently - not unlike Frozen which is based on another story. The magic bands and related issues are something I also have to disagree with you on, I loved the convenience on the two trips I have made since they rolled them out - although to be fair the first time they were only partially rolled out and had some pretty ugly gotchas but it does add a lot of convenience (I am not one of those that thinks standing in lines in the Florida sun "enhanced" my experience). Now that they have finished pouring all the money and WDI resources into DLR I hope they are going to do a similar upgrade to at least DHS and to some degree AK. I do wish they would do more and faster, especially something for Epcot, but it did take several years to turn DCA from the wonderful Eisner brand of Disney Theme Park into the great theme park it is today.
 

Matt_Black

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And let's not forget Marvel- while Eisner had wanted to buy it for years, and they had a decent working relationship, it was Iger that pulled the trigger and it's been very beneficial to both parties.
 

copcarguyp71

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I hear a lot of awesomeness by Iger for the other parts of the company and for DLR and I am not disputing any of that but when we start talking about WDW (you know, the namesake of this forum) I mostly hear crickets...
 

Matt_Black

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I hear a lot of awesomeness by Iger for the other parts of the company and for DLR and I am not disputing any of that but when we start talking about WDW (you know, the namesake of this forum) I mostly hear crickets...

To be fair, he does have a lot on his plate, and we are now slowly but surely starting to see additions, renovations, and improvements. New Fantasyland is done, Disney Springs and Avatarland are on the way, and DHS appears to be under the knife as we speak.
 

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