Abandoned River Country

[NelsonRD]

Don't really have to "break in" anymore. You can just walk around the gate I've heard. Not sure why Disney isn't patrolling this area much.

It is still off limits. You are still not supposed to be there, and it does not change the fact that either abandoned, closed, or leveled - all doesn't matter, it is closed.

Also, I have taken the boat there many times, and never heard the boat captain say, "If you look to the right, you will see the old abandoned River Country water park. If you look closely through the trees, you can see the remains of water slides and recreation areas".

Even if you focus on it, I do not see an eyesore.

 

[jayhawkmickey]

I'm not sure that folks are upset it was closed. As you state, the existing water parks are light years beyond what River Country was. However, I think folks are upset that it was just left to rot in partially plain sight.

I have a question. When my neighbors redid their house they tore down everything except one wall and the foundation and rebuilt everything, that way it was a remodel to the building department and not a new house even though for all intents and purposes it was a new house. If Disney decided to "remodel" river country the same way would the same rationale apply as far as permits, environmental impact, etc...? Could be a huge cost savings and might make the permit process quicker?

 

[BrerJon]

I have a question. When my neighbors redid their house they tore down everything except one wall and the foundation and rebuilt everything, that way it was a remodel to the building department and not a new house even though for all intents and purposes it was a new house. If Disney decided to "remodel" river country the same way would the same rationale apply as far as permits, environmental impact, etc...? Could be a huge cost savings and might make the permit process quicker?

Everything is so decayed it would cost as much to level the whole thing and build something new than to restore it. Also River Country was super well themed to be an old swimming hole, and modern Disney doesn't build original themed areas anymore, just branded ones, so you might for example have a Where's My Water Gator Park, but not one without a franchise attached to it.

The only way I can see swimming on that site coming back is if they build Fort Wilderness DVC and decide to build a pool for it, but it's far more likely the DVC would be on the River Country site I think.

Incidentally a good tip for anyone interested in abandoned Disney - rent a Sea Raycer boat from Fort Wilderness and you can go right up close to the lake side of River Country, and Discovery Island, including the shipwreck etc., so it's a great blast from the past.

 

[prfctlyximprct]

I was seriously obsessed with researching River Country for a good couple of months. When I went to Hoop-de-Doo I tried as hard as I could to see anything! I wish they would just tear it down and put something else instead of letting it rot. It makes me so depressed! I wish I could have experienced this water park.

 

[sjhym333]

I went to River Country several times when it was open and it was a fun place. I have over the years watched as the remains continue to rot. I was always surprised that Disney didn't spend some money, make some changes and make it a pool area for Fort Wilderness. God knows the Fort Wilderness pool is usually very crowded.

 

[raven]

It is still off limits. You are still not supposed to be there, and it does not change the fact that either abandoned, closed, or leveled - all doesn't matter, it is closed.

Obviously they don't really care too much about people getting in there until someone posts photos and videos online. If they really wanted to keep people out for good, they would put up a solid fence blocking any point of entry. Signs are are just signs, not barriers.

 

[NelsonRD]

Obviously they don't really care too much about people getting in there until someone posts photos and videos online. If they really wanted to keep people out for good, they would put up a solid fence blocking any point of entry. Signs are are just signs, not barriers.

So it is Disneys fault people do not want to follow rules?

It's closed. It doesn't matter why, how much somebody liked it as a child, or left to rot.

Stay away, it's that simple.

 

[unkadug]

So it is Disneys fault people do not want to follow rules?

It's closed. It doesn't matter why, how much somebody liked it as a child, or left to rot.

Stay away, it's that simple.

If Disney really wanted people to stay out wouldn't they at least turn the themed music off in the park? And take down the "Welcome" signs?

Yes, it is Disney's fault that people are venturing into places that are no longer open. It's the burden and responsibility of the property owner to prevent trespassing and liability issues arising from an attractive nuisance.

 

[NelsonRD]

If Disney really wanted people to stay out wouldn't they at least turn the themed music off in the park? And take down the "Welcome" signs?

Yes, it is Disney's fault that people are venturing into places that are no longer open. It's the burden and responsibility of the property owner to prevent trespassing and liability issues arising from an attractive nuisance.

I cannot disagree more. There is no mistaking River Country is closed. This whole "Disney should do more to stop people from doing something they should not" is out of control. People need to be responsible for their own actions, stop blaming other people. This is the same as the thief breaking into my house then crying foul when they cut their hand on the glass they broke to get in on.

Disney is doing exactly what they should. They closed an old, small, poorly located water park, and now offer 2 newer better ones. While they decide how they are going to develop the land, it is blocked off. There is no need to develop the land twice. There is no need to level it, only to redevelop it for another purpose at a later date.

Anybody who is at River Country is trespassing, and they know it, and should be banned from the parks, and added to the "What do guests do that upsets us" thread here.

 

[unkadug]

I cannot disagree more. There is no mistaking River Country is closed. This whole "Disney should do more to stop people from doing something they should not" is out of control. People need to be responsible for their own actions, stop blaming other people. This is the same as the thief breaking into my house then crying foul when they cut their hand on the glass they broke to get in on.

Disney is doing exactly what they should. They closed an old, small, poorly located water park, and now offer 2 newer better ones. While they decide how they are going to develop the land, it is blocked off. There is no need to develop the land twice. There is no need to level it, only to redevelop it for another purpose at a later date.

Anybody who is at River Country is trespassing, and they know it, and should be banned from the parks, and added to the "What do guests do that upsets us" thread here.

You are out of control.

It is not your place to police the ethics and morals of others, nor to play police, judge and jury of those doing something that you do not agree with.

However if you charge admission to come onto your property and someone breaks into your house and hurts themselves, then yes, you are liable for their injury.

 

[NelsonRD]

You are out of control.

It is not your place to police the ethics and morals of others, nor to play police, judge and jury of those doing something that you do not agree with.

However if you charge admission to come onto your property and someone breaks into your house and hurts themselves, then yes, you are liable for their injury.

I am out of control?

I am not policing anything. I suggested that River Country is closed, and if you feel the need to trespass there, it is your fault, and you should be punished accordingly. You are the one claiming it is somehow Disney's fault for people trespassing, because "they can do more to prevent it".

How about the people that make it into the utilidors, or the line cutters, is anything their fault? Or is everything Disney's fault because they can just do more to prevent people from acting like they can do whatever they want.

This no rules entitled society sickens me, but its ok, we can just blame somebody else, its not my fault.

 

[wm49rs]

I cannot disagree more. There is no mistaking River Country is closed. This whole "Disney should do more to stop people from doing something they should not" is out of control. People need to be responsible for their own actions, stop blaming other people. This is the same as the thief breaking into my house then crying foul when they cut their hand on the glass they broke to get in on.

Disney is doing exactly what they should. They closed an old, small, poorly located water park, and now offer 2 newer better ones. While they decide how they are going to develop the land, it is blocked off. There is no need to develop the land twice. There is no need to level it, only to redevelop it for another purpose at a later date.

Anybody who is at River Country is trespassing, and they know it, and should be banned from the parks, and added to the "What do guests do that upsets us" thread here.

It's their property, their responsibility to ensure no one trespasses throughout. They can handle the responsibility....

 

[NelsonRD]

It's their property, their responsibility to ensure no one trespasses throughout. They can handle the responsibility....

And they have. What suggests to you that River Country is open?
No matter what barriers they put up, people will find a way around, and fault Disney.

 

[wm49rs]

And they have. What suggests to you that River Country is open?
No matter what barriers they put up, people will find a way around, and fault Disney.

The fact people went out there long enough to videotape their entire visit.

And again, Disney is a business, and their responsibility is to properly keep people out of areas where they don't want them to be.

 

[NelsonRD]

The fact people went out there long enough to videotape their entire visit.

And again, Disney is a business, and their responsibility is to properly keep people out of areas where they don't want them to be.

And I am arguing they have done enough. It is blocked off, and clearly not a place you should be.
Any person breaking that rule is their fault.

My truck goes faster than 65 mph, maybe I should sue Ford for making a truck that goes faster then the highest posted speed limit in NY. Its not my fault right?

 

[wm49rs]

And I am arguing they have done enough. It is blocked off, and clearly not a place you should be.
Any person breaking that rule is their fault.

My truck goes faster than 65 mph, maybe I should sue Ford for making a truck that goes faster then the highest posted speed limit in NY. Its not my fault right?

And if that person gets hurt, it's Disney's fault. Thankfully their pockets are deep enough....

Not sure how you go from trespassing to speeding, but whatever it takes to defend TWDC, I suppose....

 

[NelsonRD]

And if that person gets hurt, it's Disney's fault. Thankfully their pockets are deep enough....

Not sure how you go from trespassing to speeding, but whatever it takes to defend TWDC, I suppose....

You suggested that Disney is responsible for people doing something they shouldn't because they can do more to prevent it. I tried to make the correlation to driving. If I am not supposed to go there, and Disney does not enough to prevent it, what is to say I am not supposed to speed so Ford does not do enough to prevent it.

Its simple, River County is closed, go there, and get kicked out. Why is this even debatable?

Whatever to defend the dumb, entitled, arrogant who rules do not apply to, I suppose.

 

[wm49rs]

You suggested that Disney is responsible for people doing something they shouldn't because they can do more to prevent it. I tried to make the correlation to driving. If I am not supposed to go there, and Disney does not enough to prevent it, what is to say I am not supposed to speed so Ford does not do enough to prevent it.

Its simple, River County is closed, go there, and get kicked out. Why is this even debatable?

Whatever to defend the dumb, entitled, arrogant who rules do not apply to, I suppose.

And yet people still spent enough time on the island to record a lengthy video of their visit. So yes, there is more that could be done....

And your supposed "issue" of speeding isn't even worth discussing, considering it falls outside the area of trespassing. But you stay classy.....

 

[NelsonRD]

And yet people still spent enough time on the island to record a lengthy video of their visit. So yes, there is more that could be done....

And your supposed "issue" of speeding isn't even worth discussing, considering it falls outside the area of trespassing. But you stay classy.....

There is always more that can be done. This applies to anything.
btw, how is following the rules, and wanting to see the violators punished classless?

 

[wm49rs]

There is always more that can be done. This applies to anything.
btw, how is following the rules, and wanting to see the violators punished classless?

Then it applies here as well....

How is deriding anyone with a (in your view) negative comment or criticism of TWDC classy? I'm sure you can figure that one out....