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A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

Missing20K

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I believe he was making fun of Disney's hypocrisy over the removal of some, but not all, gator related things from WDW following the incident.
I wasn't a fan of '74, but I do think this is correct. I remember his new avatar seeming to mock the apparent over-the-top effort by Disney to remove all gator references.
This. When the attack happened, Disney reacted to the event in a very knee jerk and half-hazard way. They began removing some of the gator/croc references from their property's attractions, but only selectively so. There was a large thread about these changes back when the attack occurred-

Disney's reaction to the attack somehow simultaneously came across as an absurd overreaction, but also half-baked for what they were trying to achieve. What was deemed inappropriate or appropriate was quite odd. For example, they removed the following references from the parks temporarily-

  • All gators/crocs in Living with the Land (the live ones never came back).
  • Tick Tock float from the Festival of Fantasy parade.
  • Tick Tock float from the Water Pageant.
  • Some of the jokes in Jungle Cruise related to biting or eating people.
  • Louis from Princess and the Frog in the castle shows.
  • Gator references in a Disney Junior show.
However at the same time, Disney management somehow did NOT remove the following gator related references, several of which are considerably more morbid and violent-

  • The gator animatronics in Jungle Cruise.
  • Tick Tock figures in Peter Pan's Flight, including Hook trapped in its jaws struggling to escape...
  • The ballerina portrait in Haunted Mansion, which also has a gator on the verge of eating her.
  • Splash Mountain gators, including the one biting Brer Fox's tail and trying to pull him underwater.
  • The statues at Port Orleans and Fantasia Golf.
It should also be noted that someone reported in the thread that at least one Disney gift shops was still selling gator themed merchandise. I'm not sure if this gator purge across property even included merchandise at all.

In addition, a Disney cast member was fired when she posted this photo on Twitter of a sign management had put up in the break room (after her post went viral, the sign was removed and her job reinstated by higher ups)-
Imagine getting all worked up over these temporary changes. The kind of reaction that can only happen if you're looking for agenda-fuel.

It seems pretty clear to me as an outsider... The references that stayed are rather difficult/expensive ones to remove in the first place and none of them are front and center for all to see at their flagship park a la the castle show and the water pageant. They took the steps that they reasonably could for a brief amount of time, either for legal purposes or as a Goodwill gesture to the family, it honestly doesn't matter.

Even with this context, it's an incredibly immature joke to make.
Didn't know any of this. Appreciate everyone for informing me.

Perhaps there would have been a more tactful way of presenting his argument. Though 74 was never known for being tactful.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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If you find 74's avatar distasteful (or his overall persona being abrasive), that's fine. But I still wanted to make it clear that the avatar was not intended to make fun of the victim. It's fully directed towards mocking Disney and the weird and twisted up way they addressed this mess.

It seems pretty clear to me as an outsider... The references that stayed are rather difficult/expensive ones to remove in the first place and none of them are front and center for all to see at their flagship park a la the castle show and the water pageant. They took the steps that they reasonably could for a brief amount of time, either for legal purposes or as a Goodwill gesture to the family, it honestly doesn't matter.
Animatronics (even the best and most complex ones, let alone the limited motion ones) are routinely removed overnight when they exhibit issues. Disney doesn't install items prone to being temperamental and breakage without an easy, quick and cheap way to remove them.

As I said, the crocodile animatronics from Living with the Land were removed, in spite of not being "front and center" as you put it. Yet they didn't touch other figures, in spite of requiring a similar amount of effort at best. They could have even used a scrim for the Haunted Mansion portrait...

Now I'm of the opinion that Disney should have left all of these references alone. No one would have even thought to complain had Disney not called attention to them. But the fact remains that they chose to selectively ignore the scenes ACTUALLY involving alligators attacking and eating people and instead only went after the benign references. Again all a pointless and unnecessary knee jerk reaction to begin with. But thanks to the selective nature of these removals, they even managed to botch that.

We also caught a glimpse at the ugly side of Disney management when they ordered cast members to lie to guests about the presence of actual alligators on property. A cast member exposed and called this out to the public, and she was fired for it. Her story went viral though. Disney tried to cover things up and play too much damage control with this situation, it backfired on them.
 
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Kman101

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I don't think WDI is completely devoid of talent, but I definitely think a TON of talent has left or been fired over the years. And corporate interference sure as hell makes it hard for whoever is left to work their magic.

Very little of what Disney has done recently has impressed me. Cars Land is fantastic, Radiator Springs Racers is as well. And I love the environment of Pandora. I do really like the boat ride, but it's criminally short and does contain the flaws others have criticized it for (still like it but yeah I wish there was a lot more of it). I wasn't impressed by the simulator.

New Fantasyland was a complete mess. Little Mermaid is bland at best, arguably bad. 7DMT is kind of fun but short and has some severe flaws (especially its state after dark). Circus area is a waste, and the new Dumbo location has poor views now compared to before. Gutting and replacing the classic Snow White ride with a meet n greet. And whoever designed the scenery was really bad at forced perspective effects.

Didn't like the Frozen ride (even had it been built in an appropriate area, the scenes are mostly lame). Don't like Paris' Ratatouille, so I don't expect to enjoy Epcot's. Highly dislike Epcot's overall direction.

I'm mixed on Star Wars. The land should look pretty at least. I'm not interested in the Falcon ride, tired of simulators and screen based scenery. Hopefully Resistance delivers, though again i'm worried the environments will feel sparse and lacking physical scenery or animatronics. No interest whatsoever in Mickey based on what i've seen so far.
And a lot of that isn't really "bad". It's personal preference.

I think there's been an overreliance on screens but I'm sorry, FOP is a fantastic ride. But to each their own.

I agree with a lot of what you did say, though.

And it's a shame the design style and replacing GMR is turning people off of the Mickey ride.
 

Kman101

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If you find 74's avatar distasteful (or his overall persona being abrasive), that's fine. But I still wanted to make it clear that the avatar was not intended to make fun of the victim. It's fully directed towards mocking Disney and the weird and twisted up way they addressed this mess.


Animatronics (even the best and most complex ones, let alone the limited motion ones) are routinely removed overnight when they exhibit issues. Disney doesn't install items prone to being temperamental and breakage without an easy, quick and cheap way to remove them.

As I said, the crocodile animatronics from Living with the Land were removed, in spite of not being "front and center" as you put it. Yet they didn't touch other figures, in spite of requiring a similar amount of effort at best. They could have even used a scrim for the Haunted Mansion portrait...

Now I'm of the opinion that Disney should have left all of these references alone. No one would have even thought to complain had Disney not called attention to them. But the fact remains that they chose to selectively ignore the scenes ACTUALLY involving alligators attacking and eating people and instead only went after the benign references. Again all a pointless and unnecessary knee jerk reaction to begin with. But thanks to the selective nature of these removals, they even managed to botch that.

We also caught a glimpse at the ugly side of Disney management when they ordered cast members to lie to guests about the presence of actual alligators on property. A cast member exposed and called this out to the public, and she was fired for it. Her story went viral though. Disney tried to cover things up and play too much damage control with this situation, it backfired on them.
Not to mention I don't believe they removed the one in Disney Springs. It was very bizarre ... and in this case, yes, he was mocking Disney. But I see why some found it distasteful. Some of you have to understand, he presented a persona, a shock personality to get attention, and it worked. I'm not knocking him, but that's what you have to do, create a personality. He did. For better or worse. LOL
 

peter11435

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Not to mention I don't believe they removed the one in Disney Springs. It was very bizarre ... and in this case, yes, he was mocking Disney. But I see why some found it distasteful. Some of you have to understand, he presented a persona, a shock personality to get attention, and it worked. I'm not knocking him, but that's what you have to do, create a personality. He did. For better or worse. LOL
The issue with the haphazard implementation of the gator removal was that it was largely individual local leaders making decisions on their own to remove depictions in their areas. That’s why some were removed and other were not. And why some things returned and others did not. In the case of the one at Disney Springs that belongs to rainforest cafe.
 

bcoachable

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Wondering if anyone on here knows him personally, and can give us an update on his daily dealings as of today?
He obviously has had a history with the company...
 

Kman101

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The issue with the haphazard implementation of the gator removal was that it was largely individual local leaders making decisions on their own to remove depictions in their areas. That’s why some were removed and other were not. And why some things returned and others did not. In the case of the one at Disney Springs that belongs to rainforest cafe.
Thank you :)
 

Kman101

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Wondering if anyone on here knows him personally, and can give us an update on his daily dealings as of today?
He obviously has had a history with the company...
I feel like quite a few seemed to be friendly with him but I don't know if that was just on here or if they had his personal number/email/etc.. I am curious how he's doing. He just ... vanished.
 

the.dreamfinder

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If you find 74's avatar distasteful (or his overall persona being abrasive), that's fine. But I still wanted to make it clear that the avatar was not intended to make fun of the victim. It's fully directed towards mocking Disney and the weird and twisted up way they addressed this mess.


Animatronics (even the best and most complex ones, let alone the limited motion ones) are routinely removed overnight when they exhibit issues. Disney doesn't install items prone to being temperamental and breakage without an easy, quick and cheap way to remove them.

As I said, the crocodile animatronics from Living with the Land were removed, in spite of not being "front and center" as you put it. Yet they didn't touch other figures, in spite of requiring a similar amount of effort at best. They could have even used a scrim for the Haunted Mansion portrait...

Now I'm of the opinion that Disney should have left all of these references alone. No one would have even thought to complain had Disney not called attention to them. But the fact remains that they chose to selectively ignore the scenes ACTUALLY involving alligators attacking and eating people and instead only went after the benign references. Again all a pointless and unnecessary knee jerk reaction to begin with. But thanks to the selective nature of these removals, they even managed to botch that.

We also caught a glimpse at the ugly side of Disney management when they ordered cast members to lie to guests about the presence of actual alligators on property. A cast member exposed and called this out to the public, and she was fired for it. Her story went viral though. Disney tried to cover things up and play too much damage control with this situation, it backfired on them.
Just to add, Spirit also pointed out that Disney had a very laissez faire policy towards guests feeding alligators , which is illegal in Florida.

editied: correction from crocodile to alligator
 
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disneyflush

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I had some personal email conversations while he was still posting here. He was a nice gentleman, a very caring man.
I wondered what happened to Spirit and @Lee on here. They seemed pretty friendly with each other but haven't seen anything from either in a long while. Spirit is/was a lot of things across the spectrum but its hard to argue he had plenty of passion for Disney parks. I believe he was also younger than I assumed he would be based on his posting history/knowledge (I swear he said he was in his forties a couple years ago and I had assumed he was 10-15 years older than that). He could probably start his own blog/website fairly easily and get enough views to be worth his while.
 

Kman101

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I had some personal email conversations while he was still posting here. He was a nice gentleman, a very caring man.
I do believe he cares. A lot of us just didn't like his rhetoric, but he knew were I stood on that lol. He's not some super villain people make him out to be. But I can see why some resisted his style and that it would rub some the wrong way, and I think many points he had often got lost in the back and forth.
 

The Empress Lilly

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I wondered what happened to Spirit and @Lee on here. They seemed pretty friendly with each other but haven't seen anything from either in a long while. Spirit is/was a lot of things across the spectrum but its hard to argue he had plenty of passion for Disney parks. I believe he was also younger than I assumed he would be based on his posting history/knowledge (I swear he said he was in his forties a couple years ago and I had assumed he was 10-15 years older than that). He could probably start his own blog/website fairly easily and get enough views to be worth his while.
1974 was a bit of a clue to his birthyear...

Most of us EPCOT/WDW bittereinders are still just in our forties. WDW turned from 'Heaven on Earth' to 'mean-spirited zoo' not that long ago.
 
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