A Question About Whats In The Lake??

[westie]

:wave: Hi all. Since recently visiting DL and soon to be going to WDW(Congaloosh!!) my favorite ride is/was the submarine ride. Now you talk about something you could do over and over. Some of my earliest memories are of me loosing it big time on that ride. Disney can be so real to a kid! Yet I digress.

Q-So whats in the lake? Earlier rumors were of an Atlantis ride but, I fear that when I get to WDW, much like DL, people will just be using it for a wishing well. I know that the Imagineers could of drained it a tarted-up the mermaids a bit, filled it back up and been done with it. But thats just my 02. Any news?

 

[RobFL]

Ariel's Grotto, a meet and greet area.. if on the right hand side of the lagoon.

A pointy trident sticks out of the water and some interesting waterfall FX are in the area near the "Grotto" but otherwise, the water is vacant and untouched.

-Rob

 

[conntom]

A Ride around the movie Atlantis would be cool use of the lake
not used.(Congaloosh):wave:

 

[Hurricane]

the show building is in disrepair (where most of the 2k under the sea ride took place) and there are problems with the lagoon, apparently if they drain the water the walls will collapse into the tunnels, i have absolutely no clue about this but remember reading a few people who were very convinced about this

 

[Monorail Lime]

That sounds like urban legend material to me. If the area were that unstable water would already be leaking into the tunnels. If the bottom of the lagoon can handle the weight of the water it could certainly handle some hunks of deteriorated wall.

I think the reason they haven’t drained it is a small lake is better show than a big empty pit.

 

[RobFL]

The water does leak in MK costuming which is directly underneath it.

-Rob

 

[westie]

Whoa! While in DL I befriended the bartender at the hotel who had some real doosy's about the motorboat pool inbetween the towers when the earthquake(we get 'em in ca) hit and cracked the side of the pool and flooded the underground system. And this he says is why DCA has no tunnels.

 

[RobFL]

For those who want to research the subject, try reading about sinkholes. You know, the things that killed Horizons.

When the water is in them, they can support weight, take the water away and the force can no longer be supported by the walls. Force doesn't just travel verticley, it travels horizontaly as well.

Normally, the water absorbs the force. Take out the water, you take out the equilibrium, and you have yourself a real mess.

-Rob

 

[dmspilot00]

Sink hole did not kill Horizons. G.E. did. The new sponsors wanted to design their own attraction rather than assuming someone else's.

 

[mkt]

Originally posted by Monorail Lime
If the area were that unstable water would already be leaking into the tunnels

it already is. the lake is directly above MK Costuming and Locker rooms, and I recall that they shut down the showers one day, because it looked like Niagara Falls

 

[kaos]

There are no tunnels in Disneyland. DCA was not designed to have them either. The only theme park with a utilidor system is the Magic Kingdom. I remember being down there and commenting to my brother that no matter how cool it was to be there, it really smelled foul. We were right in costuming at the time....

A sinkhole did develop underneath the Horizons building. GE gave up sponsorship five years before the ride was permanently closed. The building itself was sinking, and you could tell this by just looking at the foundation when you entered the building. There were cracks in the building and cracks in the pavement around the building. Also, sinkholes develop in Florida on a regular basis. You could do ground survey after ground survey, and you would still have them. The water table shifts are extrememly unpredictable, so the new buidlings (especially Mission:Space) is built on a huge concrete slab that should redirect the flowing water table around the foundation to eliminate a sinkhole's developement.

 

[dmspilot00]

Originally posted by kaos
A sinkhole did develop underneath the Horizons building. GE gave up sponsorship five years before the ride was permanently closed. The building itself was sinking, and you could tell this by just looking at the foundation when you entered the building. There were cracks in the building and cracks in the pavement around the building.

Well, it did close right after GE pulled the plug, but they reopened it. After it was closed "permanently," I believe it was open for a day for CMs to ride?

Anyway, if you say so...you seem to know what you're talking about. I guess Occam isn't always right.

 

[BigAL]

?

Call me crazy, but I am pretty sure there are some areas of Disneyland that have tunnels underneath them.

 

[Drebel]

What about spaceship earth?

If a sinkhole happened to appear underneath spaceship earth would they have to bring the whole thing down?

I understand what you are saying about the sinkholes but epcot being constructed in the late 70s early 80s I am now worried about the other buildings.

-Drebel

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by Drebel
What about spaceship earth?

If a sinkhole happened to appear underneath spaceship earth would they have to bring the whole thing down?

I understand what you are saying about the sinkholes but epcot being constructed in the late 70s early 80s I am now worried about the other buildings.

-Drebel

Spaceship Earth's supports go quite far into the ground--like 100 feet I think, so this building is well supported. As for the other pavillions, who knows? Sink holes are unpredictable, but the odds of them appearing under a disney ride, as with any area in general, are pretty slim--probably around the odds of an earthquake bringing a ride down at Disneyland.

 

[JLW11Hi]

I am sure Disney would look at these things very carefully around giant structures like Spaceship Earth, the Castle, Tower of Terror, etc. I hope that they took those thigns into consideration for those buildings while building them, because it would be heck to try to fix sinkholes under them.

 

[RobFL]

The Universe of Energy is atop a massive sinkhole. A huge pump is continously adding water to the sub-basement of the building so that it keeps "afloat."

If the water somehow receeds, the building may collapse.

-Rob

 

[McArcDes]

Just to put my two cents in. While I was working for Imagineering in '98 they were working on the early designs for Mission Space and all of them included rehabing the Horizons building. I don't give any creedance to the sink hole theory.

As for the sinkhole under Universe of Energy...RobFL I'm not sure that you are correct in this. Water does not absorb anything. It shifts and moves around things....the idea that water would support a building is just not plausable. Also if this was the case the building would be condemed, the public would be barred access to it until it could be made structurally sound or it would be torn down.

Sink holes are a very serious issue no doubt but not the case here I think.

 

[RobFL]

Water exerts force outward to its container. That stabilizes the pressure from the other side of the walls.

Jeeze..

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its wrong.

-Rob

 

[bearboysnc]

Originally posted by kaos
There are no tunnels in Disneyland.

There are tunnels at Disneyland. Not a complex tunnel system like WDW but there are tunnels. I worked in Costuming, and we used them frequently.

this quote makes no sense...

Whoa! While in DL I befriended the bartender at the hotel who had some real doosy's about the motorboat pool inbetween the towers when the earthquake(we get 'em in ca) hit and cracked the side of the pool and flooded the underground system. And this he says is why DCA has no tunnels.

but there was a leak in the submarine lagoon and the motor boat cruise. It started small, and over time erroded a hole the size of a volkswagon. (there are NO tunnels anywhere near the motorboats)

DCA has no tunnels because the park is the size of a postage stamp. Theres no need to build tunnels. It was also built on a shoestring budget. Tunnels would have cost a fortune.