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Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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So sincere question: if Disney has a developmental agreement with Apple and Apple Vision, why are they at a tech-adjacent conference using the signature device of Apple’s competitor in this space?

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JD80

JD80

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Tha Realest said:
So sincere question: if Disney has a developmental agreement with Apple and Apple Vision, why are they at a tech-adjacent conference using the signature device of Apple’s competitor in this space?

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My take is that the Vision pro was about content delivery with its content like D+ or ESPN.

Is the Vision Pro made for total 3D immersive display? Meaning can it be used to display output from different 3d modeling programs?
 
Bill Cipher

Bill Cipher

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In the Parks
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Tha Realest said:
So sincere question: if Disney has a developmental agreement with Apple and Apple Vision, why are they at a tech-adjacent conference using the signature device of Apple’s competitor in this space?

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The Vision Pro and Quest 3 are two totally different calibers of headset. Apple's device drives a primary focus on the Apple ecosystem and productivity within that workflow. The Quest is far more suited to connecting to a Windows/Linux computer and displaying designs made in 3D modeling programs or game engines. Also a Vision Pro runs at ~$3500 per unit to consumers and the Quest 3 is ~$500. Big companies like Disney obviously get a bulk purchasing discount, but why spend more money on the wrong tool for the job?
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
…If you haven’t noticed…your just preaching

What I said is not in conflict with your incessant preaching about the steaming approach
Hulu works as it stands…the other two are very problematic
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And as always you continue to miss the point. You still see them as separate services. D+ and Hulu are basically one at this point, with the latter feeding content into the former. So you really can't say "Hulu works as it stands and D+ doesn't", because Hulu is part of D+. So if Hulu works, so does D+.

So the issue you have is not with the services themselves, its with the whole content engine for DTC. To you, if I can sum up what I gather from what you've said, it seems they make good general audience content (Hulu) but not so much family friendly content (D+). And while I disagree for the most part, I can see a point there, but its really a matter of preference more than anything. As time goes on I expect this to be sorted out as they fine tune the content engine and getting it firing on all cylinders.

As for ESPN+, that is a whole other conversation which I didn't even touch upon in my other post so I won't even get into that here.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Disney Irish said:
And as always you continue to miss the point. You still see them as separate services. D+ and Hulu are basically one at this point, with the latter feeding content into the former. So you really can't say "Hulu works as it stands and D+ doesn't", because Hulu is part of D+. So if Hulu works, so does D+.
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Indeed. Outside the U.S., Hulu is "Star" and "Star" is part of Disney+.

It's only in the U.S. that Hulu and D+ were considered separate. But then there was the bundling. Then Hulu 'basic' showed up inside of Disney+. And the problem of Hulu Live is going to be solved by spinning it off of Hulu and merging and being called "Fubo."

Nielsen no longer tracks Hulu separate from Disney+ on its "total content" graph.

In the same way, ESPN will eventually fully merge into D+. It's already started.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney Irish said:
And as always you continue to miss the point. You still see them as separate services. D+ and Hulu are basically one at this point, with the latter feeding content into the former. So you really can't say "Hulu works as it stands and D+ doesn't", because Hulu is part of D+. So if Hulu works, so does D+.

So the issue you have is not with the services themselves, its with the whole content engine for DTC. To you, if I can sum up what I gather from what you've said, it seems they make good general audience content (Hulu) but not so much family friendly content (D+). And while I disagree for the most part, I can see a point there, but its really a matter of preference more than anything. As time goes on I expect this to be sorted out as they fine tune the content engine and getting it firing on all cylinders.

As for ESPN+, that is a whole other conversation which I didn't even touch upon in my other post so I won't even get into that here.
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Content is going to be a problem for some time…don’t believe me…believe Wall Street.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Tha Realest said:
So sincere question: if Disney has a developmental agreement with Apple and Apple Vision, why are they at a tech-adjacent conference using the signature device of Apple’s competitor in this space?

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Because Walt Disney Imagineering’s workflows ultimately centers around getting information into Autodesk software and AutoCAD for Mac doesn’t cut it.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney Irish said:
Different scenario leads to different outcomes.
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Which outcome do you tbink is “preferred”?

1. A company is flooded with high value advertising revenue - 85% from their sports entity that had a monopoly hold over the market - and financed over 50% of the operation…which they built their physical assets, programming, etc with

2. Giving away the “successor” with no control over competition and trying to gin up the same scenario…generating what adjusted for inflation amounts to NOTHING and has to be funded by the other stuff?

Oh and already cheaping on content…which could kill it?


…hmmmm…🤔
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
Which outcome do you tbink is “preferred”?

1. A company is flooded with high value advertising revenue - 85% from their sports entity that had a monopoly hold over the market - and financed over 50% of the operation…which they built their physical assets, programming, etc with

2. Giving away the “successor” with no control over competition and trying to gin up the same scenario…generating what adjusted for inflation amounts to NOTHING and has to be funded by the other stuff?

Oh and already cheaping on content…which could kill it?


…hmmmm…🤔
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Scenario one didn’t happen overnight, it was built over time. You’re expecting an overnight replacement for a system that took many decades to build, even Wall St has realized it’s not gonna happen over night. We’re only a little over 5 years into an industry wide change to media. Yes there have been and will be bumps in the road, it has happened industry wide. That doesn’t mean however you throw the baby out with the bath water, you continue to help it grow to maturity. And last I checked it’s only two companies that are really driving the conversation on the change to steaming, Disney and Netflix, with everyone else following their lead. So for someone who supposedly has no control over the competition they are driving them to change based on their own moves.

Also I think you’re losing the point of your argument here as now you’re back to talking about the system of streaming rather than the content of streaming. So maybe pick a point and stick with it.
 

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