DHS Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

Mr. Sullivan

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I rode it for the first two times today and yes the storytelling on it is messy. But it's such a damn perfect roller coaster that I am more inclined to forgive it than if it was messy storytelling attached to a coaster like 7DMT. It's the best roller coaster on property and one of the top 5 in Orlando in my opinion, and if the only thing I can say about it is that it's story is a little incomprehensible at times well...it's not alone in that position in the roller coaster community.
 

Ayla

Well-Known Member
I really hate to continue to derail this thread but I must agree that the linear narrative on Cosmic Rewind is messy. I am not some hater who hasn't been to the parks in years, and I am not saying I don't understand the narrative as presented in the queue, preshows, onboard audio, and physical attraction. I ride Guardians frequently and I understand what it is attempting to deliver narratively, but that narrative is messy and it took multiple takes to fully soak in.

The first preshow frequently and deliberately establishes that the Cosmic Generator can be used to travel through different points in space, effectively teleportation. Fine. Then why is it that when the Celestial steals the Cosmic Generator in the second preshow, it can now be used as a time travel device? The characters are seeing him for the first time but somehow immediately infer that the jump point he creates has time travel properties, and that it is being used to travel back to a time before the known universe existed, no less. What? How could they possibly know that? And then the Celestial immediately confirms their suspicions without another thought.

Even further, the reason we as guests must travel through the jump point is that it is closing and we need to "keep track" of the Celestial until the Guardians arrive and Nova Corp regain power. But the moment we dispatch from the ship and enter the jump point, the Guardians immediately follow in behind us. I suppose it would make for a boring ride if we had to wait around for the Guardians to show up, but the fact that they were able to just follow in right with us makes our mission feel a little contrived.

In terms of actual on-ride scenes, the mechanic of time travel is being used as a justification to show elements of the Big Bang and creation of our galaxy. However, this idea of a whirlwind tour of the formation of the galaxy is at odds with the battle taking place, so the only elements of it we see are the bang itself in the reverse launch, a static model of the Milky Way, a static model of Earth's moon, and a static model of Earth. Admittedly, the reverse launch is a really strong element and an effective way of using the ride system to convey a signature narrative moment, but other than that the time travel mechanic does not get much mileage.

If I were to script-doctor/armchair imagineer Cosmic Rewind, I think I would honestly remove the time travel mechanic because it's clearly only present as a remnant of when the ride entered development as a Big Bang coaster before receiving an attached IP. Letting distinct scenes form that actually focus on the heroes using their unique abilities on a large enemy would be effective in terms of making a ride that is representative of its IP. Of course, this would remove the ride's already thin excuse of being edutainment and its justification for existing in Epcot, but many would argue that either; A: the ride is so thinly related to education it does not belong in Epcot to begin with, or B: the education ideals of Epcot are so dead that it's irrelevant for Cosmic Rewind to include them, so long as it is vaguely futuristic enough to fit World Discovery. Just let the time traveling Big Bang launch coaster be its own idea that can fully realize that one unique identity (not that such an attraction could possibly be built under current leadership).

Additionally, the Guardians not actually being physically present during the queue and preshows absolutely reeks of budget issues. Narratively, it would make sense for Peter Quill (and by extension the rest of the team) to be present at the opening of the Wonders of Xandar exhibit considering he was personally involved in the selection of the location. And being human, he also acts as a liaison between humanity and Xandarians. The only reason the story has them call in remotely is because the budget did not allow for animatronic figures of the characters.

If you've been paying attention you might say, "Ah! But if the Guardians are physically present for the preshow then they would have no need for the guests to keep track of the Celestial, and we would lose our narrative justification for guests to be on the mission." Which brings me to what I think is another huge missed opportunity with the ride's narrative. Our justification for joining the mission should have been to help the Guardians fight the Celestial with the Nova Corp's golden laser-net technology seen in the first film (and at numerous points in the queue and ride). The technology only works if you have an excess of ships to do it, and the Nova Corps fleet is currently without power. If our Starjumper ride vehicles were also given this ability, not only would it be a really convincing and exciting justification to join the mission, but it could also afford the opportunity to have a unique lighting package on the ride vehicles, creating a bespoke effect. I'm imagining not just the different cars in each train interacting with each other, but potentially even multiple trains at the same time being visible to each other in the show building. It could create that extra layer of kinetics found in a ride like Indy where you see multiple jeeps dodging around the temple.

At the end of the day I could dream of unlimited nitpicks for this ride, but ultimately the story isn't even my biggest issue (surprise, its the exterior of the show building). Cosmic Rewind is still a good ride, maybe even a great ride, but its identity is one of incredibly apparent circumstance. The same is true of Mission Breakout which makes this even more interesting. These rides might seem burdened by the IP mandate, existing ride concepts, and mismanaged budgets but those limitations brought forth incredibly distinct narratives that might have never been imagined if not for those limitations. It almost makes me less interested in whether Cosmic Rewind's story is "good" or "bad" because those are arbitrary and consider no weight of the context for how it ended up being created. But if you want to get that deep I suppose the same could be said for many attractions and other media in general. Regardless, Cosmic Rewind is certainly an interesting case.
Kids, *this* is what critical thinking looks like. Bravo, sir. 👍🏻👍🏻
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Guess it depends what the new premise is ... If still just trying to get from a recording studio to a concert, then probably won't be a big change

Could see them making it look less "grungy" though and a bit more light hearted and probably a lot of muppet parody music posters, ECT
...the easiest (and probably cheapest) way to do this retheme is to keep that story. Personally, that is what I am hoping (and kind of expect) happens. Now you are going on a Muppets limo ride, with Muppets covering songs as you go. Preshow gets funnier, maybe a few things added to the area where you are walking to the limo part, but the ride stays virtually the same.

Based on the re-do they did of Mission:Space several (several) years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even bother to re-write the script, and just have all the dialogue repeated word-for-word by the Muppets in the new film.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: when I ride RnRC, they always leave the preshow exit doors open for me since I’m already a VIP. I pass through like
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denyuntilcaught

Well-Known Member
I rode it for the first two times today and yes the storytelling on it is messy. But it's such a damn perfect roller coaster that I am more inclined to forgive it than if it was messy storytelling attached to a coaster like 7DMT. It's the best roller coaster on property and one of the top 5 in Orlando in my opinion, and if the only thing I can say about it is that it's story is a little incomprehensible at times well...it's not alone in that position in the roller coaster community.
Agreed. Guardians is an incredible roller coaster with top-tier technology behind it, just limited by a overburdened story by Imagineering that, as others have noted, is the result of corporate mandates.
 

etc98

Well-Known Member
Just a queue before interrogation, sometimes long. But, I agree that Rise has the best-controlled guest flow we’ve seen.
But to be fair, it’s a queue in a space where a queue sort of makes sense. We’ve been taken in for processing before interrogation, so it makes sense we’re waiting for them to get through the backlog of all the people they captured.

They made sure that in the places where there’s a sense of urgency (after the first Rey preshow as we rush to the ship, and after the interrogation preshow when we’re escaping), that there is no line. In the places where there is a line, they put a break in the story. They made sure that the story beats match the operational realities of running the attraction
 

Nobody nobody

Active Member
One thing that is a bummer about this specific retheme, is that it is the exact worst spot in the park to build anything muppets related around. I know people are saying they want a “land”, but with the existing space, RNRC is butt up against a road, the TOT queue, backstage space, and the animation courtyard expansion plot. I mean yeah you could do a show when/IF villians ends, but that still would kinda be a crappy land that is just big boxes, not really mupppety, without even a restaurant. Attached an illustration of a pie in the sky hypothetical of where anything could go, but it’s still probably mostly impossible, as people use some of these things, or maybe it’s partly where the AC replacement goes. Also the coaster seems easily retheme-able or replace-able after a while. Either way, not a good spot long term imo.

I almost wish we would’ve had a few years without muppets at wdw if it meant we get a proper muppetvision sucessor in a more permanent feeling spot or more built out, but lord knows how unlikely that is.
 

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Agent H

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One thing that is a bummer about this specific retheme, is that it is the exact worst spot in the park to build anything muppets related around. I know people are saying they want a “land”, but with the existing space, RNRC is butt up against a road, the TOT queue, backstage space, and the animation courtyard expansion plot. I mean yeah you could do a show when/IF Gillian’s ends, but that still would kinda be a crappy land that is just big boxes, not really mupppety, without even a restaurant. Attached an illustration of a pie in the sky hypothetical of where anything could go, but it’s still probably mostly impossible, as people use some of these things, or maybe it’s partly where the AC replacement goes. Also the coaster seems easily retheme-able or replace-able after a while. Either way, not a good spot long term imo.
Gillian’s? That show’s been off the air for a while I think
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I'm a few pages late, but a lot of people are discussing how you can't really understand the story. I just wanted to say that that was also the case to most fans for Splash Mountain, but that didn't make it any less iconic.
If it took someone more than 2 rides to figure out the story on Splash, that is a sad statement. It's really not that complicated. In fact, I think... I think... Brer Rabbit even explained it in the ride. Something about leaving his home to go looking for his laughing place and then discovering that his home was his laughing place all along. 🤷‍♂️

Anywho... I really don't know how they are going to drop Muppets onto RnRC. It just feels... wrong. As does the fact that most RnRC merchandise is already gone. For example - the empty drums where the drumsticks used to be sold is now filled with pre-packaged popcorn. :oops:
 

ChewbaccaYourMum

Well-Known Member
If it took someone more than 2 rides to figure out the story on Splash, that is a sad statement. It's really not that complicated. In fact, I think... I think... Brer Rabbit even explained it in the ride. Something about leaving his home to go looking for his laughing place and then discovering that his home was his laughing place all along. 🤷‍♂️

Anywho... I really don't know how they are going to drop Muppets onto RnRC. It just feels... wrong. As does the fact that most RnRC merchandise is already gone. For example - the empty drums where the drumsticks used to be sold is now filled with pre-packaged popcorn. :oops:
Maybe this isn't what the other poster meant, but I believe they were more speaking to people understanding the general story of Splash Mountain, but not the climax of the story where Brer Rabbit is apparently tricking Brer Fox to throw him into the briar patch so he can escape... Which if that's the case, I completely agree that I personally never knew that was the climax of the story until someone wrote it on here within the last year. And I have been going on Splash Mountain all of my life (since it opened) and I am in my 30s.
 

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