Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Mr. Sullivan]

To me, a 35 minute wait time can be low in some places, and high in others. If this were somewhere like Dollywood or Six Flags, I'd consider it low because the park I am in is much smaller and is a lot less of a challenge to get everything done in a day.

In a Disney park, to me anything above 20-25 minutes is what I'd consider long and would make me ask myself to what degree I want to do the attraction because then you are committing half an hour or more of your day to wait in line in a park that takes a lot more to get through because it is so much denser than your average park. Those half hours to 45 minutes start to add up, especially when you add in parades and dining, and next thing you know it's almost fireworks time and you've not done nearly the amount you hoped you would.

This is why I don't do Disney without LL. I know that for how I am as a guest, I will never see standby lines at the wait time I'm willing to take a bite out of my day to commit to.

 

[Splash4eva]

I get it. You're saying since the average wait for Thanksgiving was 45-75 minutes it was busy.

All some are saying is parks today aren't busy compared to what they were built to be.
Back in 2019 a 45-75 minute wait would be a slow day.

For today's Disney that is considered crowded and busy.

No offense. Anyone comparing things to their highs is foolish. Its like someone comparing wait times to Disneys lows during the recession of 2009? So using the 2019 “comparison” why not compare to 2009? Bc its foolish. When people say the parks are empty that means to me walk ons and waits 15 minutes with the exception to an E Ticket being max 30 minutes. Thats simply not the case. Want to say it slower fine i have no issue with that but reports of Thanksgiving being a semi ghost town is plain false

 

[Jrb1979]

No offense. Anyone comparing things to their highs is foolish. Its like someone comparing wait times to Disneys lows during the recession of 2009? So using the 2019 “comparison” why not compare to 2009? Bc its foolish. When people say the parks are empty that means to me walk ons and waits 15 minutes with the exception to an E Ticket being max 30 minutes. Thats simply not the case. Want to say it slower fine i have no issue with that but reports of Thanksgiving being a semi ghost town is plain false

It's not empty but they are also far from full. It's not walk oms but it's not crowded either. It's in the middle.

Personally I would rather heavily crowded parks with 2019 prices then the high prices today and lower crowds.

 

[Splash4eva]

It's not empty but they are also far from full. It's not walk oms but it's not crowded either. It's in the middle.

Personally I would rather heavily crowded parks with 2019 prices then the high prices today and lower crowds.

And you just basically agreed with what was my point from the beginning sans with what we prefer. When people were saying it was dead… case and point.

 

[Jrb1979]

And you just basically agreed with what was my point from the beginning sans with what we prefer. When people were saying it was dead… case and point.

It's not dead but it's not busy either no matter how much many of you want to spin it.

 

[Splash4eva]

It's not dead but it's not busy either no matter how much many of you want to spin it.

I didnt say it was busy busy. All i said was it wasnt empty and posted what was told to
Me by people who were there told me.

 

[Touchdown]

My rubric:

Less then 30 min=always ride if you want
30-60 min=Maybe ride, try to do this less then 4 times in a day
>60 min= Probably don’t ride, you only do this once a day at most.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Of course they are. Because you and your little group are the only ones who can ever be correct about anything and everyone else is always wrong. We got it.

…I can’t invent the crowds on the ground…Disney does

I’m not gonna fuel the nonsense that the crowds are not diminished now…just as I wouldn’t have said they were tolerable in 2018. Things change

 

[Chi84]

I get it. You're saying since the average wait for Thanksgiving was 45-75 minutes it was busy.

All some are saying is parks today aren't busy compared to what they were built to be.
Back in 2019 a 45-75 minute wait would be a slow day.

For today's Disney that is considered crowded and busy.

They were built a long time ago. Things change.

 

[Jrb1979]

They were built a long time ago. Things change.

Things do change your right. For how parks are run they haven't changed at all. Disney is the outlier in that they suppress attendance. Even Universal wants high attendance.

 

[Chi84]

Things do change your right. For how parks are run they haven't changed at all. Disney is the outlier in that they suppress attendance. Even Universal wants high attendance.

I'm not sure what point your'e trying to make. Disney is the subject matter of this site. It's not an outlier - it's the center of the universe of what we're discussing.

If other parks are different, they're simply irrelevant to the discussion.

It doesn't matter what the attendance goals are at other parks.

This isn't a thread about other parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Things do change your right. For how parks are run they haven't changed at all. Disney is the outlier in that they suppress attendance. Even Universal wants high attendance.

They absolutely do not suppress attendance

They convinced themselves that they don’t adhere to market principles…and now it’s becoming apparent that “wasn’t wise”

When sales fall…you don’t increase prices. Doesn’t take Keynes to tell you that

 

[Jrb1979]

They absolutely do not suppress attendance

They convinced themselves that they don’t adhere to market principles…and now it’s becoming apparent that “wasn’t wise”

When sales fall…you don’t increase prices. Doesn’t take Keynes to tell you that

They definitely don't go out of their way to increase attendance much. They do the odd Florida ticket deal but you never see deals like Universal did with their buy 2 days get 2 days free.

 

[monothingie]

My rubric:

Less then 30 min=always ride if you want
30-60 min=Maybe ride, try to do this less then 4 times in a day
>60 min= Probably don’t ride, you only do this once a day at most.

I guess everyone slept in this morning.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

ITS MOBBED this morning in the WORLD

The line stretches from the front of the Mickey spinner all the way past the second Mickey spinner 3 feet behind it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

$450 a day…

Magic beans for lunch

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They definitely don't go out of their way to increase attendance much. They do the odd Florida ticket deal but you never see deals like Universal did with their buy 2 days get 2 days free.

…if you loop in all the clips from
CNBC, Sun valley, and every investor symposium that emperor Igatine and his stormtroopers Have given over the last 10-12 years…there is a little bit of a pattern. It’s all about some wonky “we determine our situation”‘nonsense. Hogwash…you sell non essential leisure and entertainment. They won’t move off it now because you’d have to remove a 75 year old whose luck has run out. Dyed in the wool.

Maybe force lightning?

They don’t believe in ANY moves to draw in people…becuawe the philosophy is they’re above it. But the margins behind the scenes and “udged” quarterly outlook has an extreme vulnerability.

They have to and try to disguise it…

Woukd I love absolutely no one in a park in June? Hell yeah…but that’s not a realistic strategy.

Investors haven’t made a dime
Since obama in real terms…unless you were holding it since 2002 and dumped it.

 

[larryz]

How is it logical to say lines are required at amusement parks in a thread about a service that allows you to skip lines at an amusement park?

Because without the "required" lines, the whole "skip the line" money machine doesn't work. You can't monetize a demand that doesn't exist.

So I get it when people point out that Di$ney has zero monetary incentive to reduce stand-by line wait times. The longer they are, the more "Really Ultimate, Best Possible, No Kidding, Fastest Fast Pass We've Ever Sold" upcharges they sell the rubes, at least up to their arbitrarily determined "sell out" point (which means they realize they can't push the rubes' patience too far, or they'll zip up I-4 to Universal).

 

[monothingie]

FOMO “Fools Often Miss Out”

 

[monothingie]

Yet another year of being told that it was going to be busier than ever only for it not to be.

Raise your hand Jeff and Josh, if you think there’s a problem.