Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[HauntedPirate]

Don’t worry, Disney will never include free LLPP like Universal includes free Express pass.

There are folks who don’t like Universal and won’t go to their park at any price and that’s fine, but we loved the free express pass included when staying at the Universal resorts. Not sure it’s the same now but we got free express passes on check in day and check out day too when staying at Universal resorts.

I said the same thing earlier today about LLPP never being bundled for free. I'm beginning to think that statement may not age well.

 

[CAV]

3 deluxe resorts vs how many deluxes does Disney have? Imagine Premier being bundled with deluxe and how terribly that would go.

That doesn't negate my point.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Universal has been playing the #2 game since the opening of Cabana Bay. They've priced that hotel (and the other values) at lower rates than Disney's options. Endless Summer, while lacks the character of a Disney Value Resort, is by far a better room/value than Disney.

While not as dramatic as Disney, Universal has already started to raise prices at their resorts (though they've slowed down with the downturn in tourism/attendance).

I just stayed at Endless Summer Surfside. It was REALLY nice. Now I had one of the bigger suite style rooms, but it was a really nice room, and the extra microwave/fridge/table was great. I think it was only $150/night.

The food court could be a little bigger, but one thing I really liked was the ability to get fresh berries every morning. Fresh berries have become extremely hard to find at WDW at any price point.

The Skyliner is a bit more fun than buses.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I said the same thing earlier today about LLPP never being bundled for free. I'm beginning to think that statement may not age well.

I think that would be GREAT! And in my opinion, if they included free LLPP for (even rack rate) stays in say only two deluxe resorts; GF and Poly, there would be a multi year wait list for these resorts.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I think that would be GREAT! And in my opinion, if they included free LLPP for (even rack rate) stays in say only two deluxe resorts; GF and Poly, there would be a multi year wait list for these resorts.

1. That will never be included in a rack rate unless the rack rate rises a commensurate amount. Disney is addicted/dependent on LL revenue.

2.

 

[surfsupdon]

Do you know why those 3 Universal deluxes have it and none of the others do? Disney would never, and I mean NEVER, bundle something like that with their deluxe resorts for free.

But Universal has 3 deluxe resorts with express pass covering 2 parks.
Disney has 4 parks with 9 true deluxe resorts, excluding DVC. How can that DVC price point not include room service and daily housekeeping lol. I do not count them as deluxe.
It’s kinda pretty even. Deluxe should include more perks.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Apples and oranges. Uni is included with their deluxe resorts, its led expensive, it isn't priced dynamically and it it less restrictive

Currently doing a combined Uni / WDW trip, and I have the Uni passes that give you express pass after 4 pm. Uni Express pass is significantly inferior to lightning lane. Since Disney got rid of all the DAS cheaters the LL’s have all been ridiculously fast. Slinky had a 120 minute posted wait today and I tapped in and had maybe 12 people in front of me before the merge point.

Express Pass just isnt’ like that at all. The ratio of EP to Standby is something like 1:1. A 120 minute standby wait (and there were several of those today at Universal) is still going to be 30-60 minutes in line. Don’t get me wrong, I love my express pass after 4, but lightning lane is superior in execution (just not in price).

I can’t even imagine how ed someone who paid sticker price for express pass today would feel, still standing in 30-60 minute lines all day.

 

[Disstevefan1]

1. That will never be included in a rack rate unless the rack rate rises a commensurate amount. Disney is addicted/dependent on LL revenue.

2.

I agree, folks show up and pay to stay in deluxe resorts anyway.

Disney hates to give away anything and they LOVE the LLPP gravy train.

It paid to to release a totally broken LL system.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I agree, folks show up and pay to stay in deluxe resorts anyway.

That must be why they’ve been converting deluxe rooms into DVC accommodations at GF, Poly, and WL.

 

[Disstevefan1]

That must be why they’ve been converting deluxe rooms into DVC accommodations at GF, Poly, and WL.

Yes, it could be because Disney cant fill its most expensive rooms.

But maybe -

Converting regular rooms into DVC is an Instant money maker (similar to LLPP) the rooms are already there, slap a label on them and call them DVC and sell them for massive bucks and we already know the nightly rates for a DVC room is insane if one chooses to do so.

Maybe when they are converting rooms into DVC the maintenance for those rooms is also converted to a DVC cost.

Maybe when the rooms that are converted into DVC; those rooms are also moved out of the regular room inventory, could it be possible that a lower inventory can allow them to charge more for the remaining rooms?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Is there any expectation that Premier Pass eligibility will soften to all guests like in Disneyland?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Is there any expectation that Premier Pass eligibility will soften to all guests like in Disneyland?

In my opinion I do not expect this as they can easily change the "inventory" such that they will always "sell out"

 

[bmr1591]

I could see Disney including PP into certain deluxe resort stays. Monorail resorts of 4+ nights with 4+days of park hopper, no discount on room, you can get free PP at Magic Kingdom. Sub monorail for skyliner and divide those between Hollywood Studios and EPCOT. AKL getting Animal Kingdom.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I could see Disney including PP into certain deluxe resort stays. Monorail resorts of 4+ nights with 4+days of park hopper, no discount on room, you can get free PP at Magic Kingdom. Sub monorail for skyliner and divide those between Hollywood Studios and EPCOT. AKL getting Animal Kingdom.

I like your idea - they could treat it like free dining -
Select resorts only - rack rate.
4 night minimum.
Must purchase minimum of four parks with park hopper (just to drive up price)
1 LLPP for each park (max total of 4) regardless of length of stay.

 

[DoubleSwitchback]

I like your idea - they could treat it like free dining -
Select resorts only - rack rate.
4 night minimum.
Must purchase minimum of four parks with park hopper (just to drive up price)
1 LLPP for each park (max total of 4) regardless of length of stay.

I'd love it but seems unlikely as even club level is less per night than what they can currently charge for PP. Or are you thinking this after initial demand has cratered?

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'd love it but seems unlikely as even club level is less per night than what they can currently charge for PP. Or are you thinking this after initial demand has cratered?

LLPPs are vapor and costs them ZERO.

Disney loses ZERO dollars to offer a LLPP package like this, unlike "free dining" where they literally have to give out "free" meals/snacks whatever.

They launched LLPPs and created high value (albeit FAKE) for their vapor product LLPP.

Therefore, it costs them ZERO to offer LLPPs and in return they can sell deluxe rooms at rack rate, min 4 days, 4 days at park with park hoppers and folks still need to buy meals.

Its a win all around for Disney.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

We caved and bought LL multi pass and single pass for our upcoming trip and the first thing we noticed is how underbuilt the parks are.

With no Big Thunder there’s really only 3 or 4 rides that need MP at MK, 3 at AK, and with no TestTrack only 2 at Epcot, we’re skipping HS and our normal 2nd day at MK this trip so Disney got an extra $250 out of us for LLs but we’re actually spending about $1500 less than normal.

Higher guest spending per day so I guess that’s considered a win for Disney…

 

[bmr1591]

I'd love it but seems unlikely as even club level is less per night than what they can currently charge for PP. Or are you thinking this after initial demand has cratered?

You’d have to do it during certain times of year as a promotion. During Christmas/New Years (and certainly Spring Break/Easter) there is obvious demand. But those midsummer weeks? Could be a good way to get some people into a deluxe.

 

[JD80]

We caved and bought LL multi pass and single pass for our upcoming trip and the first thing we noticed is how underbuilt the parks are.

With no Big Thunder there’s really only 3 or 4 rides that need MP at MK, 3 at AK, and with no TestTrack only 2 at Epcot, we’re skipping HS and our normal 2nd day at MK this trip so Disney got an extra $250 out of us for LLs but we’re actually spending about $1500 less than normal.

Higher guest spending per day so I guess that’s considered a win for Disney…

I think if you want to have a smooth full park day at MK there is great value with a LLMP, even for the non headliners. EPCOT/AK aren't worth it but there is an argument for DHS where you can use it to get what you want and hop to EPCOT mid day for more fun.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I said the same thing earlier today about LLPP never being bundled for free. I'm beginning to think that statement may not age well.

I really can't see it being fully bundled it just as a standard offering.

Maybe as part of a promotion ... Something like: "stay these dates at a rack rate concierge room and get it for 2 of your days"

Could also see something like that with LLMP if bookings wind up very soft this summer