MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Goofyernmost]

I think they still care about that part, because that is a one time expense and they move on. The rear of the Cars and Villians is a huge operation and access to a lot pieces parts to build it plus equipment is probably the reason for just clearing out the area. I'm sure they have a lot of replacement trees that can be used to make things hard to see. My point was that according to some reports the desire for large "scary" rides has tied their hands when it comes to be able to hide everything. You can't have a 30 or 40 ft tall structure to easily hide, especially right away. When omnimovers were just two stories high it was a piece of cake. Now the demand is for high speed things be they indoor or outdoor or both. The closest we come to that now is the 7DMT that combines inside and outside shows otherwise we have a 6 Flags Disney Park.

The more intense that rides (coasters) get the higher they go and unless part of it is a water display dug into the Florida Swamp. Thus the harder they are to hide from vision unless we help out by ignoring it. I have stated many times that I started going to WDW yearly in 1983 to 2019. I never noticed that the Swan and Dolphin Hotels were visible from inside Epcot until somebody complained about seeing it from inside. The next time I went I looked and by damn there they were. I saw them that one time about in the early 2000's and it hasn't caught my attention since then.

 

[James Alucobond]

You can't have a 30 or 40 ft tall structure to easily hide, especially right away. When omnimovers were just two stories high it was a piece of cake. Now the demand is for high speed things be they indoor or outdoor or both. The closest we come to that now is the 7DMT that combines inside and outside shows otherwise we have a 6 Flags Disney Park.

So you design them to not be hidden. Y’know, like Space Mountain or Big Thunder or Everest or whatever. It’s not a mystery, it’s just obviously not currently a priority.

 

[Goofyernmost]

So you design them to not be hidden. Y’know, like Space Mountain or Big Thunder or Everest or whatever. It’s not a mystery, it’s just obviously not currently a priority.

Space Mtn is a slow moving coaster that gives its jollies by being in the dark with a lot of sharp turns. That is still popular as a type of coaster, but to build a less compact coaster with high speed and a lot of twist, turns and visually scary one requires a whole lot more room and height than Disney is willing or even able to build disguised as something you cannot see.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Just a quick glance at any quarterly report would show that's not the case at all.

But, keep on making stuff up to be mad about.

How cool would it be if all the profit made in WDW could be invested back into WDW!!!

 

[James Alucobond]

... requires a whole lot more room and height than Disney is willing or even able to build disguised as something you cannot see.

They are of course able. Cosmic Rewind and TRON, for instance, exist in lands where they would only need to be lightly finished in a somewhat modern way on all sides to not be as horrendously disruptive as they are. They just don't want to spend money on it and are okay with bare warehouses at this point as long as they sit back a bit from the park proper.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Space Mtn is a slow moving coaster that gives its jollies by being in the dark with a lot of sharp turns. That is still popular as a type of coaster, but to build a less compact coaster with high speed and a lot of twist, turns and visually scary one requires a whole lot more room and height than Disney is willing or even able to build disguised as something you cannot see.

Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris is smaller than Space Mountain at the Magic Kingdom.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris is smaller than Space Mountain at the Magic Kingdom.

I know but Space Mtn. (Hyperspace) Mtm.) at Disneyland Paris is far and away better than WDW's. At least there is something to see in it and not total darkness. And in DLP part of it, albeit a small part, is visible from outside the ride building. Plus the feeling of being launched totally adds to it. However it is still primarily a dark ride in both places. The audience that S.M. has is different from the true Coaster enthusiast because both SM's are really just comparatively slow moving and aren't even a little bit visually stimulating like todays Coasters are. It's the high that comes from seeing just exactly how far into the sky your ride will take you, anticipating fast corners, the loops and the speed of the ride down from the highest point. Of the ones I have seen in person and some of those of other parks, WDW is painful and boring. As usual that is my opinion, I know others feel it is great.

 

[MisterPenguin]

How cool would it be if all the profit made in WDW could be invested back into WDW!!!

Not very cool during a pandemic in which TWDC's other segments kept WDW afloat which was hemorrhaging money.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Not very cool during a pandemic in which TWDC's other segments kept WDW afloat which was hemorrhaging money.

Good thing the other segments could help out during a hundred year event like a pandemic

TWDC is back to usual now.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Good thing the other segments could help out during a hundred year event like a pandemic

TWDC is back to usual now.

It's not "The Walt Disney World Company."

While, for accounting purposes, the company keeps track of how each segment is doing, it is, in the end, just one big company. All profits go into one big bucket. All expenses, in the end, come out of that big bucket.

You might not care about Disney movies or cruises or sports and just want TWDC to dump all profit into the park you like, but there are other people who may not care about the theme park experiences and want Disney to dump their profits into movies or cruises or sports.

And actually... both Bobs acknowledged that, right now, the theme parks have the best ROI of all their segments. That's why $17B is being dumped into WDW and $60B into parks worldwide.

Right now, in this moment, an argument that Disney is ignoring their parks or letting them languish, would be baseless.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Right now, in this moment, an argument that Disney is ignoring their parks or letting them languish, would be baseless.

Agreed, not sure who is saying that, its not me.

With the opening of EPIC, Disney CANNOT ignore WDW and as we see with all the walls at WDW, they are trying.

Lets see what we have in 3 to 5 years at WDW when all the scope cuts are made and previews begin,

 

[HMF]

Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris is smaller than Space Mountain at the Magic Kingdom.

But much much better though why it is still Hyperspace Mountain after nearly ten years does deserve a good explanation.

 

[plutofan15]

Not very cool during a pandemic in which TWDC's other segments kept WDW afloat which was hemorrhaging money.

Every segment across TWDC was losing money during the pandemic, some far more than others.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Every segment across TWDC was losing money during the pandemic, some far more than others.

Define "losing money."

You mean "profiting less" or "net loss"?

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

why it is still Hyperspace Mountain after nearly ten years does deserve a good explanation.

Guests like it. That's really it.

It is at the end of the day an overlay and would take very little time and effort to turn it back to how it was originally (especially since they made no major exterior changes) so it's not an issue of money or even really time, it's the audience demand for it to go back to the original version just isn't there.

From park die hards? Sure. But that is a very small group of people in the grand scheme of things. Most guests are quite content to do Hyperspace and have been for years and years now.

Now, if Paris had actually gotten Galaxy's Edge like they were meant to, it might be a different story and guests may feel it's too much Star Wars. As is though, they didn't get GE, and they seem to be quite happy with the Star Wars they've got.

 

[HMF]

Guests like it. That's really it.

I highly doubt that is the real reason. It's probably gridlock within WDI about whether to restore the original version or bring back Mission 2 or maybe even mission 3. The point as I outline in my DLP review from my visit a few years ago is that the Star Wars and Jules Verne elements really clash and there is a complete disconnect there that is very apparent even to the average guest.

Disneyland Paris

from an American perspective.

vocal.media

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I highly doubt that is the real reason. It's probably gridlock within WDI about whether to restore the original version or bring back Mission 2 or maybe even mission 3. The point as I outline in my DLP review from my visit a few years ago is that the Star Wars and Jules Verne elements really clash and there is a complete disconnect there that is very apparent even to the average guest.

Disneyland Paris

from an American perspective.

vocal.media

Or, and hear me out, most guests just like Star Wars and aren't demanding Disney change it.

I don't disagree with you that the Star Wars and Verne stuff clash horribly with each other. No argument there. But again, the reason it is that way is, simply, because the guests visiting DLP like it and the group of people who do not are a rain drop in the Atlantic ocean.

I'd love to see it restored to it's original state and see Star Tours moved over to the other park. But I also recognize that that is not an opinion shared by the majority of folks visiting the park and is an unrealistic ask.

 

[HMF]

Or, and hear me out, most guests just like Star Wars and aren't demanding Disney change it.

I have loved Star Wars since I was nine years old and I acknowledge it's a bad fit and honestly has outlived its welcome. I feel the same way about the two American incarnations of Star Tours especially with the advent of Galaxy's Edge in completely different areas of their respective parks. I would have set the land in the timeline of the original trilogy but Iger's ego was too strong to fathom that the Sequel Trilogy was going to implode.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I have loved Star Wars since I was nine years old and I acknowledge it's a bad fit and honestly has outlived its welcome. I feel the same way about the two American incarnations of Star Tours especially with the advent of Galaxy's Edge in completely different areas of their respective parks. I would have set the land in the timeline of the original trilogy but Iger's ego was too strong to fathom that the Sequel Trilogy was going to implode.

It was not about Iger's ego not allowing him to see issues with the sequels, it was about Iger forgetting that the Star Wars fanbase is notoriously impossible to please and full of some deeply, deeply rotten people (and I say this as a member of said fanbase) and that even if the sequels were the best films ever made in the history of cinema, there'd be a line out the door of people with lists of reasons they hated them as long as my forearm.

It was perfectly reasonable to design the land with the sequels in mind, especially when the reception to the first of them was massive enthusiasm. Very few could've predicted what was going to happen culturally around those movies. By the time people started acting stupid, it was way too late for them to change course on that.

You really, really cannot blame everything you don't like on Bob Iger and/or his ego. Issues run much deeper than Iger as a lone figure, and in some cases you're drawing a connection to Iger that just isn't even really even there.

Let's critique Bob Iger for real, tangible reasons (there is no shortage of proven things to call him on) instead of the fan fiction you write about him.

 

[plutofan15]

Define "losing money."

You mean "profiting less" or "net loss"?

Net loss. While MDE did have subscriber growth, the cost of the streaming service launch netted out to an overall loss.