MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Smiley/OCD]

I don't know if any level of ride can offset the damage done.

That plus the fact that the ride could be the best looking and most technically advanced but if the effects start breaking down within the first 90 days (and I’m being generous), it kinda defeats the whole purpose.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Also, this is worth watching for those who might want to see an experienced and thoughtful explanation of why this is a bad idea. The insights of a former Imagineer.

He also has other videos on this topic.

One thing I took note of is that due to the amount of tree loss, you are now able to see the Magic Kingdom from the public back roads. This breaks the illusion and separation of the park from the outside world.

Anyway…..Six Flags - Magic Kingdom.

Is the "able to see MK from the backgrounds" permanent? Because if not, it doesn't matter in the slightest in my opinion

 

[Disstevefan1]

Is the "able to see MK from the backgrounds" permanent? Because if not, it doesn't matter in the slightest in my opinion

Sightlines, theme, cohesion, doesn’t matter to today’s Disney either

 

[BrianLo]

I actually think Seven Dwarfs is pretty good - it needed one more dark ride scene to feel complete.

I understand where you’re coming from with Riviera or Poly, but none of the three mentioned structures replaced anything remotely as elegant, integral, and impactful as RoA. I think when the walls fall guests will realize how important RoA was to the experience of a huge chunk of MK - they’ll feel that the loss stretches much deeper then a few attractions they largely ignored. I think the ride will play like a less impressive Navi River Journey - very short, reliant on empty environments, with a couple impressive AAs at the end. I expect Disney and a lot of posters here will want to very quickly shift the conversation to Villains.

Yup we’ll certainly see and SDMT is the positive upside. But it seems to be the same mild thrill scenic attraction. Perhaps losing one fun dark ride scene.

I won’t negate all your predictions, but I think when the walls come down average guests will embrace it. Unfortunately, from the artistic and cohesive lens. GSATs will go up and ILL will be a hot commodity.

 

[DrStarlander]

That plus the fact that the ride could be the best looking and most technically advanced but if the effects start breaking down within the first 90 days (and I’m being generous), it kinda defeats the whole purpose.

But first, what effects? I don't see any indication in either aerial concept image of a show building scale-wise like Radiator Springs Racers has where effects could be located.

Edit: Maybe effects like the explosion in BTM at Disneyland I guess.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Preface: I think this is an abhorrent decision. Right up there with the closure of Horizons.

But if we have to get it....If it isn't Mine Train thru Nature's Wonderland: Cars Edition, I don't want it. Gimme rainbow caverns, dark caves with cave paintings, an emphasis on nature exploration, etc.

 

[DrStarlander]

But if we have to get it....If it isn't Mine Train thru Nature's Wonderland: Cars Edition, I don't want it. Gimme rainbow caverns, dark caves with cave paintings, an emphasis on nature exploration, etc.

My guess is it will start out with a chipper mood with inspirational music and audio about how we're doing in the race and then mid-race we'll get these concerned warnings about flash floods, and mudslides, mountaintop icy conditions, etc. We'll experience these Mother-nature "threats" and then come out unscathed at the end.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Let’s set a bar - removing RoA and fouling up a third of the Magic Kingdoms design will never be a good or even acceptable decision, but what level of ride will Piston have to be to at least let you not be continually upset by the change? For me, of course, the bar’s high - if the new ride isn’t Radiator Springs/ Spider-Man/ ToT level, it’s an abject failure given the immense damage done to the park.

For me, it's a thrill ride. Even if I go back to Magic Kingdom, I'm not getting on it. There's no way for them to turn this around for me.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

For me, it's a thrill ride. Even if I go back to Magic Kingdom, I'm not getting on it. There's no way for them to turn this around for me.

That an issue for me with these changes - the Riverboat was literally the most accessible moving (ride) attraction at Walt Disney World.

Muppets was also enjoyed by all ages - the new monsters show might be similar - but it could also be played down to a younger crowd

 

[Smiley/OCD]

But first, what effects? I don't see any indication in either aerial concept image of a show building scale-wise like Radiator Springs Racers has where effects could be located.

Edit: Maybe effects like the explosion in BTM at Disneyland I guess.
View attachment 901975

The comment is not attraction specific…ANY ride/attraction on property. It’s not meant to be literal to this one new ride.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

75 doesn't seem as significant too me. The next HUGE marketing push will likely be in 2055.

75th is massively significant. Quarter celebrations (25, 50, 75, and 100) tend to be pretty huge things for all entities.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Let’s set a bar - removing RoA and fouling up a third of the Magic Kingdoms design will never be a good or even acceptable decision, but what level of ride will Piston have to be to at least let you not be continually upset by the change? For me, of course, the bar’s high - if the new ride isn’t Radiator Springs/ Spider-Man/ ToT level, it’s an abject failure given the immense damage done to the park.

And no, Villains doesn’t factor in here - that’s a separate project that could have been built without destroying all or even part of RoA.

Can’t help but feel like there’s no way to really do this that isn’t going to be completely person specific. Some folks are gonna love it. Some are gonna hate it. Some are mad about the river. Some don’t care.

How are you going to measure any sense of objective pass or fail when not everyone is even starting at the same place?

This just seems a bit like another way to talk down to people who enjoy something that whomever is responding may not. What may be a failure to you could he a triumph to someone else.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Can’t help but feel like there’s no way to really do this that isn’t going to be completely person specific. Some folks are gonna love it. Some are gonna hate it. Some are mad about the river. Some don’t care.

How are you going to measure any sense of objective pass or fail when not everyone is even starting at the same place?

This just seems a bit like another way to talk down to people who enjoy something that whomever is responding may not. What may be a failure to you could he a triumph to someone else.

My entire post is premised on the idea that opinions of the expansion are subjective. That’s abundantly clear from any fair reading of what I wrote.

Disagreements are not “talking down.” Trust me, when I’m “talking down” to a poster, I’ll make it clear.

 

[Tha Realest]

Having been a boy in the 90s there were no large groups of kids/boys playing cowboys, or looking to be cowboys. You are talking about the Nintendo/online generation of kids. Boys were playing video games, not pretending to ride horses.

First person shooters (FPS) has been the most popular video game format for multiple gaming generations now, starting with, in the 90’s, Doom and Goldeneye and confining on now to COD and Fortnite (which Disney has partnered with)

You were also starting in 99 into the horrific period of school shootings. You didn’t have any societal appetite for playing traditional cowboys, or any scenarios where kids and guns, even play guns was anywhere near popular/promoted.

The Matrix came out in ‘99, and one of the the most popular original film franchise to come out in the last decade has been John Wick (gun-kata to the extreme). While kids’ interests have waxed and waned over the years, Target having a dedicated aisle to Nerf guns (or the generic equivalents) has remained the same.

 

[nickys]

Let’s set a bar - removing RoA and fouling up a third of the Magic Kingdoms design will never be a good or even acceptable decision, but what level of ride will Piston have to be to at least let you not be continually upset by the change? For me, of course, the bar’s high - if the new ride isn’t Radiator Springs/ Spider-Man/ ToT level, it’s an abject failure given the immense damage done to the park.

And no, Villains doesn’t factor in here - that’s a separate project that could have been built without destroying all or even part of RoA.

I’ll admit to not following this thread, because I just don’t care. For me the removal of TSI and RoA is irreplaceable. I don’t know whether I will come back to WDW, for several reasons, and I’ve made my peace with that mainly because of this.

So ….. if I do visit again, I don’t know if I’ll ride. It depends what it is, and how rough it looks. But it won’t ever make up for the loss of the quiet oasis that they’ve destroyed.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Sightlines, theme, cohesion, doesn’t matter to today’s Disney either

That is a familiar thought everytime Disney does something different with the sightlines even if it is temporary. I remember when they built Soarin' and they built the big blue building. Even I thought that is going to look awful. Within a short period of time, I no longer see it unless I purposely look for it. Disney has always been good at blocking sightlines so I'm not worried about it at all. Some of the stuff that the public seems to demand make it impossible to hide completely but there is nothing that we can't ignore if we want too.

What is important is what can be seen from inside the park. Willing suspension of disbelief is required to get the full impact of a Disney Theme Park. I remember being shocked by the aerial photo of Haunted Mansion. It never had occurred to me just how huge the show building had to be and it is actually invisible to anyone within the park.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What is important is what can be seen from inside the park.

I agree with you, but today's Disney no longer cares is my point

Today's Disney cares about building something, anything that SELLS LLs, especially in WDW because WDW is the CASH COW for the entire company.

 

[HMF]

I agree with you, but today's Disney no longer cars is my point

Today's Disney cares about building something, anything that SELLS LLs, especially in WDW because WDW is the CASH COW for the entire company.

I would even reckon WDW might be propping up the entire company entirely by itself at this point. Though I would question the taste of people who still go, seeing as how far downhill it has gone in the last few decades.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

When I was growing up, my family and I used to go to Disney once or twice a year.

Over the holidays, I got to see some of them and I explained this project to them and showed them pictures of the before, current construction zone and proposed design - none of them thought it made any sense.

These are Disney Normies, not die-hards. They aren’t invested or attached to the ROA or the boat and the consensus was “this makes no sense.”

I mean is this not a textbook example of an audience being a led to a conclusion based upon how it is presented to them? If you present it to them for the first time like a bad idea, you’re not really going to get any other response in return from them.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Also, this is worth watching for those who might want to see an experienced and thoughtful explanation of why this is a bad idea. The insights of a former Imagineer.

He also has other videos on this topic.

One thing I took note of is that due to the amount of tree loss, you are now able to see the Magic Kingdom from the public back roads. This breaks the illusion and separation of the park from the outside world.

Anyway…..Six Flags - Magic Kingdom.

If if’s Jim Shull, I fear I automatically have to tune him out. I respect the work he did over his years at WDI, but there is little that is respectable about how he uses his platform today.