MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Disstevefan1]

Point being, far too many people get bent out of shape when the final product varies even the slightest from the concept art.

slightest...... That's funny. I have learned NONE of the concept can be trusted.

When they are creating these blurry concepts (good idea making them blurry BTW) they have NO IDEA what the final product will be.

The concepts is a joke.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Concept Art is essentially the visual representation of an idea before it is developed into a final product.

Concept art is not meant to be the literal version of what becomes the final product.

While that may be some people's ideal of what "concept art" is *supposed to be*; in practice, TWDC publishes art of blue sky ideas and also art derived from a finished blueprint as the attraction is being built. And TWDC calls both "concept art."

So, it's no wonder people are confused about what "concept art" is. Is it ""just a concept"" or is it ""here is definitively what it will look like when built"? TWDC does both.

 

[phillip9698]

Without concept art though they have nothing to "present" at the D23 presentations. Words are empty. But as we've seen and learned... concept art is equally so. Honestly, I think they'd be better off just nixing D23. That's the bigger issue.

That isn’t true.

What they wouldn’t have are desperate attempts to drum up excitement given external pressure when they have nothing of substance.

They could absolutely share information when the projects are actually vetted, budgeted, and moving toward construction.

Share the information when the project is a year from beginning construction or less. Don’t share when the crap you are sharing isn’t even approved!

 

[Disstevefan1]

While that may be some people's ideal of what "concept art" is *supposed to be*; in practice, TWDC publishes art of blue sky ideas and also art derived from a finished blueprint as the attraction is being built. And TWDC calls both "concept art."

So, it's no wonder people are confused about what "concept art" is. Is it ""just a concept"" or is it ""here is definitively what it will look like when built"? TWDC does both.

Another factor is when they see they will use up the budget and "scope cuts" happen.

Unlike Disney's movie business where budgets does not matter, the budgets in Disney theme park business is written in stone.

 

[Smoky]

i guarantee if Sugar Rush was announced for that space the same people here would be bashing it. Not even a question!

Yes, I know I would. Because it would be hideous, stupid, and completely nonsensical.

 

[Disstevefan1]

ir or you could just be emotionally mature and take things in stride.

FIFY, and yes it always works to blame it on the fans. I get it now, when Disney fails to deliver its because I am emotionally immature - got it.

 

[mickEblu]

This has to be the worst change in the history of Walt Disney World right? Can’t think of one thing they could do at Disneyland that would impact me more negatively than losing the ROA. That includes removing the castle, POTC and Mansion. The West side of the park is by far the best side of the park. For me that IS Disneyland. And the ROA is the centerpiece of that whole area. Even as young kid - it was the west side of the park that made me the happiest. Not Fantasyland. Walking along the ROA on a sunny day hearing the jazz music from New Orleans Square play. That was/ is the heart and soul of Disneyland to me. I suppose that is why this is upsetting so many people. What you’re really talking about is ripping the heart and soul right out of the park.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This has to be the worst change in the history of Walt Disney World right? Can’t think of one thing they could do at Disneyland that would impact me more negatively than losing the ROA. That includes removing the castle, POTC and Mansion. The West side of the park is by far the best side of the park. For me that IS Disneyland. And the ROA is the center price of that whole area. Even as young kid - it was the west side of the park thatade me the happiest. Not Fantasyland. Walking along the ROA on a sunny day hearing the jazz music from New Orleans Square play. That was/ is the heart and soul of Disneyland to me. I suppose that why this is upsetting so many people. What you’re really talking about is ripping the heart and soul right out of the park.

Yes, this could go down in history as the worst change in WDW history.

The worst theme park change in the history of the Disney company is Rocket Rods. It not only failed, but it also destroyed Disneyland's people mover track AND, Disneyland's destroyed people mover track must remain there for all to see; to remind all of the worst mistake in the company's history.

IF the Cars attraction in MK fails, it will take the crown for the company's worst mistake, as it will have destroyed a beautifully themed area with direct links to Walt Disney AND ALSO, take out the three attractions that was destroyed to build it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That isn’t true.

What they wouldn’t have are desperate attempts to drum up excitement given external pressure when they have nothing of substance.

They could absolutely share information when the projects are actually vetted, budgeted, and moving toward construction.

Share the information when the project is a year from beginning construction or less. Don’t share when the crap you are sharing isn’t even approved!

This is a great example of the problem, not understanding the actual process. Except for the stuff they very clearly identified as Blue Sky, projects are announced when they are approved. Approval is further out than something like a year before construction. Construction sometimes even starts a year before design is finished.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

This has to be the worst change in the history of Walt Disney World right? Can’t think of one thing they could do at Disneyland that would impact me more negatively than losing the ROA. That includes removing the castle, POTC and Mansion. The West side of the park is by far the best side of the park. For me that IS Disneyland. And the ROA is the centerpiece of that whole area. Even as young kid - it was the west side of the park that made me the happiest. Not Fantasyland. Walking along the ROA on a sunny day hearing the jazz music from New Orleans Square play. That was/ is the heart and soul of Disneyland to me. I suppose that is why this is upsetting so many people. What you’re really talking about is ripping the heart and soul right out of the park.

Sadly we don’t have any of that, it’s just liberty square with no live entertainment, only view of the river is when you walk by it, no great relaxing areas like Cafe Orleans or Tianas. We only have 1 boat, no canoes so very little variety and of course no night show on the river either. Removing the peoplemover for me would be my worst case at WDW myself.

 

[Orange is the new Red]

Sadly we don’t have any of that, it’s just liberty square with no live entertainment, only view of the river is when you walk by it, no great relaxing areas like Cafe Orleans or Tianas. We only have 1 boat, no canoes so very little variety and of course no night show on the river either. Removing the peoplemover for me would be my worst case at WDW myself.

And that’s the reality of Disney Worlds ROA.

 

[mickEblu]

Sadly we don’t have any of that, it’s just liberty square with no live entertainment, only view of the river is when you walk by it, no great relaxing areas like Cafe Orleans or Tianas. We only have 1 boat, no canoes so very little variety and of course no night show on the river either. Removing the peoplemover for me would be my worst case at WDW myself.

By Jazz I was only thinking of the music coming through the speakers when I wrote that post but yes the live music is a great bonus but its usually up by POTC’s exit (bootstrappers) or at Tiana’s Palace (jazz band). I don’t really associate them with that stroll along the river on the west side of the park.

Fantasmic being on the ROA didn’t even cross my mind as it personally has nothing to do with my affinity for the ROA. I was only referring to the atmosphere that the river/ island/ steamboat create. And MK has all 3. So because the MK version has one less boat and no canoes and doesn’t host a night show (that clogs up that entire side of the park at night) it’s THAT much less valuable than Disneyland?

 

[Bocabear]

But it was not always like that....you can't remove all entertainment, close all river traffic except the riverboat and then say "Look! no one is hanging out in Liberty Square, and no one is using the river so we should tear it out." They created a lot of this perceived issue themselves.

 

[mickEblu]

The canoes and Columbia are icing on the cake but the cake is there at MK. And as a Magic Key I’ll trade you Fantasmic for night time rides on the Mark Twain. Especially a dragonless Fantasmic.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

By Jazz I was only thinking of the music coming through the speakers when I wrote that post but yes the live music is a great bonus but its usually up by POTC’s exit (bootstrappers) or at Tiana’s Palace (jazz band). I don’t really associate them with that stroll along the river on the west side of the park.

Fantasmic being on the ROA didn’t even cross my mind as it personally has nothing to do with my affinity for the ROA. I was only referring to the atmosphere that the river/ island/ steamboat create. And MK has all 3. So because the MK version has one less boat and no canoes and doesn’t host a night show (that clogs up that entire side of the park at night) it’s THAT much less valuable than Disneyland?

It’s still nice just not what DLs version is imo. Removing the peoplemover is what i’d consider crossing the line and DL removed theirs 30 years ago

 

[Agent H]

The canoes and Columbia are icing on the cake but the cake is there at MK. And as a Magic Key I’ll trade you Fantasmic for night time rides on the Mark Twain. Especially a dragonless Fantasmic.

We don’t really get nighttime rides on the riverboat.

 

[mickEblu]

We don’t really get nighttime rides on the riverboat.View attachment 849234get nighttime rides on the riverboat.

Cheapos. Why do they need to close it so early?

 

[Agent H]

Cheapos. Why do they need to close it so early?

I don’t know.

 

[easyrowrdw]

It’s not overpromising because nothing was being promised! It’s showing things that shouldn’t be shown to the public in the first place.

They are doing it to drum up excitement but they are discounting the fact that the general public has never sat in on projects in the planning phase so they don’t know that pie in the sky concept art is ALMOST NEVER fully realized.

For the company it’s just cool art that gives an idea of what they are going for. But the public takes it as a design document in which any deviation will be seen as a “downgrade”. It’s not having the intended effect.

Don’t believe me? Look at this very board. Anytime concept art is released you have people trying to portray where the queue will be, how walking paths will be layed out, how sight lines will be affected, what technology will be used, etc….. It’s guaranteed disappointment.

Because people didn’t have early peaks into this material decades ago they have no clue how “downgraded” their old favorites were. The shell of the Haunted Mansion sat on top of a hill, chained off, for years before the general public had any idea what it was. That would never happen now.

As an engineer who does this type of work for a living, concept art means almost nothing to me. I really don’t even care until I’m told the approved budget, not the swag budget, the budget that has been signed off on an approved. That’s when I know what’s real and what isn’t.

Disney needs to stop sharing “blue sky” concept art and only share things when they are fully vetted and green lit more akin to what Universal does.

I agree, but I think there's even more.

For example, Galaxy's Edge never gave us the robots and aliens shown in the announcement, but the land still felt pretty lived-in when it opened. You'd see Rey working on her ship and stormtroopers patrolling and stopping people. That stuff has been cut back a lot. On Rise of the Resistance the cannons haven't worked fully for years. This doesn't even account for disappointments from things neither promised nor cut, but reasonably expected for such a massive investment - a third ride, a table-service restaurant.

I think these are all part of the same thing.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Cheapos. Why do they need to close it so early?

Same reason they close a lot of things earlier compared to Disneyland.

To save on operating costs.