Disstevefan1
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The Good Ol' days..Originally you could actually see animators at work on Disney films. I remember they were working on Mulan when I was there sometime in the mid-1990s.
The Good Ol' days..Originally you could actually see animators at work on Disney films. I remember they were working on Mulan when I was there sometime in the mid-1990s.
I believe they’ve settled on AC with Disney, Jr. being demolished. But, I’d like further confirmation.
This would be such a great break. We need a project that the fan base can be unanimously (as unanimous as possible at least) behind. Placing monsters in Muppets is an additional controversy for absolutely no reason, in a time where everything Disney does is controversial (and for good reason). Just put it in AC so we can all take a deep breath.Ditto on hearing about Launch Bay and Jr.
I don't wanna say it's locked in but that seems to be where it's leaning. I've been awaiting further word.
My first trip in 2011 it was still operating this way, though I heard it was just people hand-drawing animation cels to be sold as merch by that point. This was after the film where Mushu took you through the animation process.Originally you could actually see animators at work on Disney films. I remember they were working on Mulan when I was there sometime in the mid-1990s.
2003 was the end of the production era (after brother bear) - but yes part of the animation experience remained.My first trip in 2011 it was still operating this way, though I heard it was just people hand-drawing animation cels to be sold as merch by that point. This was after the film where Mushu took you through the animation process.
That's why this whole thing has been a head scratcher. This isn't a decision of something HAS to go. They have the space so why even let it get to the point it has? Even if Muppets stays, they've still given themselves months of crappy press for no good reason. If they just came out and said at d23, coming to animation courtyard, monsters inc door coaster! EVERYONE is onboard and you have some great news to combat the rivers of America/TSI noise.Placing monsters in Muppets is an additional controversy for absolutely no reason, in a time where everything Disney does is controversial
Please let me explain my thinking here. The central conceit of both the films and the ride is the doors which connect their world to ours. This isn't Toy Story Land, where you can get away with an open pathway. Not having some kind of doorway breaks immersion on a fundamental level.Maybe? I was also thinking the whole “factory” would act as a “weenie” to draw people in. Still crazy how much of mgm is gone and will soon be gone too. This park really is Abe Lincoln’s hatchet in a sense
Yeah, I understand your thinking, I kinda get it. I dunno what they’d do with the slivers off to the side that’s open. Are you thinking sort of a situation where you used to be behind the facades of streets of America in the muppets area? I get that. Maybe they could build a fake Hollywood exterior at the entrance of monstropolis? Griffith observatory? Another soundstage? I dunno, but it would be cool.Please let me explain my thinking here. The central conceit of both the films and the ride is the doors which connect their world to ours. This isn't Toy Story Land, where you can get away with an open pathway. Not having some kind of doorway breaks immersion on a fundamental level.
The concept art shows the whole land existing in the Monsters' world. Which makes sense. Unfortunately, that means you can't use the factory entrance as the doorway, which would greatly simplify things. I don't know how much the mouse cares about full thematic fidelity these days, but I think the factory should only be visible through the wide-open front gates.
Disney could open a 5th gate with Marvel, if Uni ever dropped it. You build Wakanda; Avengers Campus from CA; NYC with Stark Tower, Spider-man, Sanctum Sanctorum, X-Men Mansion; Asgard; Planet Ego with GOTG.It makes Universal a lot of money, and more than ever on the property that already did.
Makes perfect sense to keep it.
By the time Universal sees fit to give it up, it won't be worth theme park lands.
Universal's Marvel take wound up more timeless and encompassing than anything Disney has done yet.
Nothing of their own IP right now would do as well as MSHI.
It features all time greats in IP and theme park design.
I don’t see how it’s any different than going into any other land. We don’t need to take a spaceship ride to get to Batuu or Pandora, we don’t need to go through a fake border crossing to move between World Showcase countries. There’s always a certain level of “you were here and now you’re here” kind of thing when you move between lands. More abrupt in some places and more subtle in others, of course. A giant door could certainly accomplish that transition in this case, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessary.Please let me explain my thinking here. The central conceit of both the films and the ride is the doors which connect their world to ours. This isn't Toy Story Land, where you can get away with an open pathway. Not having some kind of doorway breaks immersion on a fundamental level.
The concept art shows the whole land existing in the Monsters' world. Which makes sense. Unfortunately, that means you can't use the factory entrance as the doorway, which would greatly simplify things. I don't know how much the mouse cares about full thematic fidelity these days, but I think the factory should only be visible through the wide-open front gates.
And Honest Abe killed vampires with that hatchet, so I'm good with it.
Fair, but I think the hype comes from an industry leader putting all their resources into something new. It helps that most of their IP is timeless. Monsters Inc. is definitely a timeless IP.It’s hard to have hype for attractions opening so long after the movies. Monsters inc. was 23 years ago!!!!
The only Pixar movies that seem timeless to me are Toy Story and Ratatouille. That’s a personal feeling only of course.
Doesn't matter if they only recently referred to it as Tropical Americas, they've been talking about the Dinosaur replacement for three D23s.Didn't say that you said 3 years. I said that 3 D23s shouldn't be confused for 3 years, especially as it's only been a year since the words "Tropical Americas" were mentioned by Disney
The only issue with Universal's approach is when they close an attraction before their ready for construction. Sinbad and Poseidon could probably still be operating if Universal hadn't kept changing their mind about a replacement
Yet, Disney does have a habit of announcing projects too in advance, but a year before construction isn't too bad for Monsters. I think this year's D23 was also them announcing most of their plans for the next 5 years as their "unofficial response" to Universal (Epic, Texas, UK?) The next D23 in 2026 would probable have more details on what was announced rather than have many new announcements.
I guess fill in the sides of the arch if you need to and hope the building is far enough back that it isn't visible? Honestly, I'm not there often enough to really know all the sightlines.Yeah, I understand your thinking, I kinda get it. I dunno what they’d do with the slivers off to the side that’s open. Are you thinking sort of a situation where you used to be behind the facades of streets of America in the muppets area? I get that. Maybe they could build a fake Hollywood exterior at the entrance of monstropolis? Griffith observatory? Another soundstage? I dunno, but it would be cool.
Also I forgot that Abe Lincoln vampire hunter movie existed lol. What a crazy concept.
Given the importance placed on doors in that universe, I respectfully disagree. But just because I have a strong opinion, doesn't mean I'm necessarily right.I don’t see how it’s any different than going into any other land. We don’t need to take a spaceship ride to get to Batuu or Pandora, we don’t need to go through a fake border crossing to move between World Showcase countries. There’s always a certain level of “you were here and now you’re here” kind of thing when you move between lands. More abrupt in some places and more subtle in others, of course. A giant door could certainly accomplish that transition in this case, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessary.
They aren't going to give up Marvel for several reasons - 1) They got it for paying very little 2) Its forever and most importantly, why would they give their biggest competitor one of the biggest assets they have. It would be a completely stupid move to let Disney build all sorts of MCU-based rides. SpiderMan and Hulk are still big draws. Also, Disney cannot even use the word Marvel itself inside its theme parks anywhere in the US. Hence "Avengers Campus"But universal is literally giving Disney money & free advertising by keeping it. lol. It makes even less sense for them to keep super hero island in the long term when it isn't their own property. (I.E - Simpsons going away.) I understand it is under different circumstances than simpsons land. But even if they have the rights in perpetuity. Why would they continue to advertise disney properties in their parks. When instead they could use the space for their own IP.
The only case Universal would give up Marvel is if Universal bought WBD and gained access to DC if the SF contract allowed it or there was some sort of loophole.They aren't going to give up Marvel for several reasons - 1) They got it for paying very little 2) Its forever and most importantly, why would they give their biggest competitor one of the biggest assets they have. It would be a completely stupid move to let Disney build all sorts of MCU-based rides. SpiderMan and Hulk are still big draws. Also, Disney cannot even use the word Marvel itself inside its theme parks anywhere in the US. Hence "Avengers Campus"
Border crossings aren't a thing anymore in the Schengen Zone, and four of those countries are represented in WS.Given the importance placed on doors in that universe, I respectfully disagree. But just because I have a strong opinion, doesn't mean I'm necessarily right.
And even though it would be impossibly impractical, I think border crossings in World Showcase would be a great way to enhance the theming.
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