DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

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Nickm2022

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Brer Panther said:
That's true, but they're really just using it as an excuse to shoehorn two IPs that don't really fit Animal Kingdom in the parks.

Imagine what Eisner's Disney could've done with a Tropical Americas/South America land in Animal Kingdom. We could've had some sort of Amazon River attraction, jaguars, capybaras, anacondas... even today, if you HAD to put an IP in there, UP would fit quite well.

Instead, we get "WE DON'T TALK ABOUT BRUNO NO NO NO".
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1. Keep in mind that Eisner would have either spent too much or too little. He's also the same one who did DCA 1.0 and make AK opening it with no Asia, and no rides other then DINO and the Safari. Don't get me wrong I like the dude but if he did it (esp in the 90's) it wouldn't have gone well.
2. I really hope if Tropical Americas does well they take down the theater where Nemo is and do put in a UP ride/expand it. Plus the waterfall/mountain area would blend it well with Everest. I also just think that theater is a big waste of space, especially where it is.
 
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rd805

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Nickm2022 said:
1. Keep in mind that Eisner would have either spent too much or too little. He's also the same one who did DCA 1.0 and make AK opening it with no Asia, and no rides other then DINO and the Safari. Don't get me wrong I like the dude but if he did it (esp in the 90's) it wouldn't have gone well.
2. I really hope if Tropical Americas does well they take down the theater where Nemo is and do put in a UP ride/expand it. Plus the waterfall/mountain area would blend it well with Everest. I also just think that theater is a big waste of space, especially where it is.
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I think the show is pretty terrible so I'm the wrong person to listen to, but in terms of WDW offerings - it's existence makes sense: Live show, actual singing, puppetry, broadway (okay maybe cruiseline level) entertainment. But i think it's corny and find the music annoying so I'm ready for the replacement (that is most definitely not on the table) lol.
 
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bmr1591 said:
All y'all talking about Up when The Emperor's New Groove would be a perfect coaster.
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Dark ride Rollercoaster? Best of both. The sequence presented in the movie suggests a bus bar-like dark ride attraction with the UV flats and swing doors but it also features massive drops like a coaster. Hmm... to achieve both maybe a "wild mouse" coaster? I think it'd be a hit with the classic theming. Something like the original "Snow White's Scary Adventure" with a few drops for good measure. Disney needs to bring back the charm of those classic dark rides. DAK would definitely benefit from this type of attraction. Catacomb Coaster.

 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ said:
Dark ride Rollercoaster? Best of both. The sequence presented in the movie suggests a bus bar-like dark ride attraction with the UV flats and swing doors but it also features massive drops like a coaster. Hmm... to achieve both maybe a "wild mouse" coaster? I think it'd be a hit with the classic theming. Something like the original "Snow White's Scary Adventure" with a few drops for good measure. Disney needs to bring back the charm of those classic dark rides. DAK would definitely benefit from this type of attraction. Catacomb Coaster.

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This. Disney seems to think the only C/D tickets worth building are reskinned flat rides. Classic style dark rides could still work really well today- you don’t need everything to be super technologically crazy.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost said:
This. Disney seems to think the only C/D tickets worth building are reskinned flat rides. Classic style dark rides could still work really well today- you don’t need everything to be super technologically crazy.
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This, they are so focused on the largest most expensive technological complex attractions now (has to match their egos I imagine), that they have lost all sense of ride design, story, and art. But UK at Epcot could really benefit from a classic style dark ride as once planned (Poppins, Brave) as could the Studios. Its what Disney use to be masters at, they just don't have that skill anymore with the millennial imagineers, and for some reason at WDW they refuse to do it. Will see how this encanto thing turns out. While they aren't busbar type rides, Tokyo's Fantasy Springs is some proof left that physical built dark rides can still be achieved well.
 
eddie104

eddie104

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aladdin2007 said:
they just don't have that skill anymore with the millennial imagineers
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Seriously dude ????

Enough with picking on the Imagineers for Disney’s executive decisions.

If they don’t have proper leadership leading the charge then the quality suffers. You just gave props to Tokyo FS which I’m sure was designed by the very same people you say don’t the have skills to pull off small dark rides.

It’s very contradicting but typical on this forum.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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celluloid said:
The difference is Animal Kingdom in tone of warning man and his boundries with something like the Yeti in nature.

Indiana Jones is a celebrated raider.(killing snakes, rats etc.)

You either compromise the integrity theme of the land, or compromise the theme of the character.

If people are fine with it, but it is what is occuring.

So while it may be "fine" it is not the same as Everest.
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Animal Kingdom was at least originally about the relationship between humans and animals, if I remember correctly.

In that case, Indiana Jones can fit if it is being used as a framework for exploring temples dedicated to animal deities by, for example, a Mayan civilisation. I don't think you really need to compromise either the theme of the character or the land in that regard: Indiana Jones is excavating this temple to X deity/ies and you are invited to visit it, you have interactions with the animal deity/ies, he gets annoyed with your misadventures and perhaps plays a role in saving you, and off you go.

I don't think that kind of framework either compromises Indiana Jones' character or the theme of the park. It's more or less what happens in the other Indy rides, so I can't imagine it will be much different.
 
Ghost93

Ghost93

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Gremlin Gus said:
Tbf, Emperor's New Groove is a more liked film than Wish
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The Emperor's New Groove flopped in theaters, but was a major success on home video. Disney wouldn't have given the movie a direct-to-video spinoff or Disney Channel TV series if it saw no value in the franchise.

I don't hate Wish like most people on here, but the two films aren't really comparable. I don't see any kind of devoted cult following for Wish.
 
KDM31091

KDM31091

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Nickm2022 said:
1. Keep in mind that Eisner would have either spent too much or too little. He's also the same one who did DCA 1.0 and make AK opening it with no Asia, and no rides other then DINO and the Safari. Don't get me wrong I like the dude but if he did it (esp in the 90's) it wouldn't have gone well.
2. I really hope if Tropical Americas does well they take down the theater where Nemo is and do put in a UP ride/expand it. Plus the waterfall/mountain area would blend it well with Everest. I also just think that theater is a big waste of space, especially where it is.
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People love to hate DCA 1.0 and to some extent I get it, it didn't have much of the Disney "magic" to it. However, it was completely devoid of IP. Just original ideas. Could have been executed better, but at least there was an attempt. I wonder if the initial flop of it is what scared them and sealed the fate of virtually everything being IP only moving forward.
 
KatiebugFan

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Giss Neric said:
Ya'll want Emperor's New Groove representation at the parks when the movie underperformed at the box office but also complain why Wish got it's own float in the Starlight parade when the movie also underperformed.
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Because the TENG is better than Wish and TENG is set in Peru which is in the Tropical America zone (I believe). Plus TENG has "Pull the lever Kronk" what does Wish have?
 
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celluloid

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Sir_Cliff said:
Animal Kingdom was at least originally about the relationship between humans and animals, if I remember correctly.

In that case, Indiana Jones can fit if it is being used as a framework for exploring temples dedicated to animal deities by, for example, a Mayan civilisation. I don't think you really need to compromise either the theme of the character or the land in that regard: Indiana Jones is excavating this temple to X deity/ies and you are invited to visit it, you have interactions with the animal deity/ies, he gets annoyed with your misadventures and perhaps plays a role in saving you, and off you go.

I don't think that kind of framework either compromises Indiana Jones' character or the theme of the park. It's more or less what happens in the other Indy rides, so I can't imagine it will be much different.
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The character is thee primary reason for the IP. Adventure Is Indiana Jones, and what is Indiana Jones' relationship to animals? What images does that evoke? are the kinds of questions asked if a property was tied in.

Primarily, Indiana Jones' connection with animals is his fearing of snakes while raiding temples and covering them with gasoline and setting them on fire.
Your description and idea is great as far as what can be done, and we know he can be made to fit, but it also makes the character ironically enough inconsequential.

It is not that your idea (and likely, they are coming up with one like it) are bad. But exploring and raiding are not the same.

The same framework you wrote is Expedition Everest with the mythical creature as the diety protector, and there was more care to that then plopping Indiana Jones on that adventure, because its not quite a fit. (It was argued against getting Indy in AK for a long time)
 
lazyboy97o

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KDM31091 said:
People love to hate DCA 1.0 and to some extent I get it, it didn't have much of the Disney "magic" to it. However, it was completely devoid of IP. Just original ideas. Could have been executed better, but at least there was an attempt. I wonder if the initial flop of it is what scared them and sealed the fate of virtually everything being IP only moving forward.
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The success of the “roller coaster themed like India or whatever” came after Disney’s California Adventure and was still ignored.
 
TheMaxRebo

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KatiebugFan said:
Because the TENG is better than Wish and TENG is set in Peru which is in the Tropical America zone (I believe). Plus TENG has "Pull the lever Kronk" what does Wish have?
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Wish has "You're a Star" which is a pretty fun song and fits "Star"light

Thinking only of these two properties I do think Wish makes more sense to be a float in the nighttime parade and TENG would make for a better attraction
 

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