MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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gerarar said:
Ah just saw the other thread about the cold weather advisory today. That explains it.
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Looking at the upcoming week, most of the lows aren’t that cold.
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donaldtoo

donaldtoo

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RSoxNo1 said:
The ride is good and there are parts that are certainly improvements over Splash. Having said that, the Animatronics weren't working particularly well on the two rides I've had thus far. I'm 1 for 4 in working Mama Odie animatronics. I haven't seen Juju, and the indoor Tiana's and Louis's have been hit or miss.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that the second half of the attraction (the double drop and beyond) is better than Splash Mountain. I certainly can't say that they cheaped out on this. Aesthetically, the exterior of the attraction looks much better than Splash every did.
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Even though we were in MK back in late June, I never got a chance to ride TBA. We did a child swap, as youngest granddaughter was too small to ride. SonIL and myself took her on the train while the rest of the family rode (there were 8 of us).
We had just finished the whole circuit around the park, when SonIL got a call from oldest DD that they were stuck just before the lift hill to the big drop (the log in front of them was just on the incline). They ended up being stuck there for over 10 mins.
Literally, 2 mins. after we had all gathered back together under the Frontierland train station (at about 5:45p) the bottom fell out of the clouds, and the attraction never reopened that day, as the rain lasted quite a while.
So, the exterior was the only part I ever got to see.
IMO, it blends into the surroundings too much, whereas Splash Mountain definitely stood out, in a good thematic way (and yes, still keeping in mind the juxtaposition between the Deep South and the Frontier West).
Anyway, the Splash Mountain exterior will always have much more thematic appeal to me than the “Broccoli Mountain” exterior ever could…!!!!! 😁:hilarious:;)
 
donaldtoo

donaldtoo

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Incidentally, remember when people were using the poor condition and breakdowns of the previous ride as one of the justifications for why it needed to be changed? Not the only argument, but it did come up quite a lot. Yeah...

I'm almost impressed with how quickly this ride fell to pieces and was essentially given up on. I had thought it would at least get a couple of years of decent operation and pretty meticulous maintenance before it was dropped and things started rapidly going downhill.
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Yea, this has gotta’ be some kinda’ record for going from shiny new object to seriously tarnished.
And, with the way things have been tracking, it sounds like the worst may be yet to come.
 
lentesta

lentesta

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Disney obviously knows the amount of downtime. There's a nightly spreadsheet ("Attraction Downtime Report") produced with per-ride downtime across property. And it includes pre-opening "ramp-up" downtime, when the CMs are trying to bring a ride up for the day.

Here's a sample:

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This survey is measuring the guest perspective of what Disney already knows. So it answers the question "How much of this do guests notice?"

They've run similar surveys for Rise of the Resistance.

Whatever the results are, the internal debate is around the perverse incentive of Lightning Lane revenue.

The last time I compiled those nightly reports into an annual number, Rise was averaging around 2 hours of downtime per day. But it probably generates $25MM in LLSP revenue.

So the internal debate is "How does Park Ops convince Jackie Swisher to fail at her annual performance appraisal goal for Lightning Lane revenue by bringing Rise down for the 6 months it needs to fix its issues?"

Jackie, as most people would, has to this point looked at those survey results, looked at her career path and performance bonuses, and decided that the survey results aren't that bad.

Same debate for Tiana's at MK.

This is what I mean when I say Disney doesn't need to artifically inflate wait times to sell Lightning Lane. All it needs to do is not spend the time and money to fix these reliabilty problems.

The downtime, by itself, will convince people to buy Lightning Lane. And nobody's doing a nickle up at Folsom for fraud. Plus they save money on maintenance. It's a win/win.

Also, Tiana's is in the top 3 of highest-rated rides in the MK, along with TRON and Space. It'll be #1 by June.

ETA: Link to WSJ story about internal data from Disney with LL revenue numbers.
 
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Prince-1

Prince-1

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lentesta said:
Disney obviously knows the amount of downtime. There's a nightly spreadsheet ("Attraction Downtime Report") produced with per-ride downtime across property. And it includes pre-opening "ramp-up" downtime, when the CMs are trying to bring a ride up for the day.

Here's a sample:

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This survey is measuring the guest perspective of what Disney already knows. So it answers the question "How much of this do guests notice?"

They've run similar surveys for Rise of the Resistance.

Whatever the results are, the internal debate is around the perverse incentive of Lightning Lane revenue.

The last time I compiled those nightly reports into an annual number, Rise was averaging around 2 hours of downtime per day. But it probably generates $25MM in LLSP revenue.

So the internal debate is "How does Park Ops convince Jackie Swisher to fail at her annual performance appraisal goal for Lightning Lane revenue by bringing Rise down for the 6 months it needs to fix its issues?"

Jackie, as most people would, has to this point looked at those survey results, looked at her career path and performance bonuses, and decided that the survey results aren't that bad.

Same debate for Tiana's at MK.

This is what I mean when I say Disney doesn't need to artifically inflate wait times to sell Lightning Lane. All it needs to do is not spend the time and money to fix these reliabilty problems.

The downtime, by itself, will convince people to buy Lightning Lane. And nobody's doing a nickle up at Folsom for fraud. Plus they save money on maintenance. It's a win/win.

Also, Tiana's is in the top 3 of highest-rated rides in the MK, along with TRON and Space. It'll be #1 by June.
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It is nice to see a post backed by facts and not just with emotion and supposition.
 
monothingie

monothingie

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop
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lentesta said:
Disney obviously knows the amount of downtime. There's a nightly spreadsheet ("Attraction Downtime Report") produced with per-ride downtime across property. And it includes pre-opening "ramp-up" downtime, when the CMs are trying to bring a ride up for the day.

Here's a sample:

View attachment 840744

This survey is measuring the guest perspective of what Disney already knows. So it answers the question "How much of this do guests notice?"

They've run similar surveys for Rise of the Resistance.

Whatever the results are, the internal debate is around the perverse incentive of Lightning Lane revenue.

The last time I compiled those nightly reports into an annual number, Rise was averaging around 2 hours of downtime per day. But it probably generates $25MM in LLSP revenue.

So the internal debate is "How does Park Ops convince Jackie Swisher to fail at her annual performance appraisal goal for Lightning Lane revenue by bringing Rise down for the 6 months it needs to fix its issues?"

Jackie, as most people would, has to this point looked at those survey results, looked at her career path and performance bonuses, and decided that the survey results aren't that bad.

Same debate for Tiana's at MK.

This is what I mean when I say Disney doesn't need to artifically inflate wait times to sell Lightning Lane. All it needs to do is not spend the time and money to fix these reliabilty problems.

The downtime, by itself, will convince people to buy Lightning Lane. And nobody's doing a nickle up at Folsom for fraud. Plus they save money on maintenance. It's a win/win.

Also, Tiana's is in the top 3 of highest-rated rides in the MK, along with TRON and Space. It'll be #1 by June.

ETA: Link to WSJ story about internal data from Disney with LL revenue numbers.
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Instead of having the mindset of "How can we enhance offerings to boost guest satisfaction and attract both new and returning visitors", it's "How much can we get away with before the guests get ticked off and don't come back".

This mindset doesn't stop when (if?) Bob leaves. It's infected the entire company.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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lentesta said:
Disney obviously knows the amount of downtime. There's a nightly spreadsheet ("Attraction Downtime Report") produced with per-ride downtime across property. And it includes pre-opening "ramp-up" downtime, when the CMs are trying to bring a ride up for the day.

Here's a sample:

View attachment 840744

This survey is measuring the guest perspective of what Disney already knows. So it answers the question "How much of this do guests notice?"

They've run similar surveys for Rise of the Resistance.

Whatever the results are, the internal debate is around the perverse incentive of Lightning Lane revenue.

The last time I compiled those nightly reports into an annual number, Rise was averaging around 2 hours of downtime per day. But it probably generates $25MM in LLSP revenue.

So the internal debate is "How does Park Ops convince Jackie Swisher to fail at her annual performance appraisal goal for Lightning Lane revenue by bringing Rise down for the 6 months it needs to fix its issues?"

Jackie, as most people would, has to this point looked at those survey results, looked at her career path and performance bonuses, and decided that the survey results aren't that bad.

Same debate for Tiana's at MK.

This is what I mean when I say Disney doesn't need to artifically inflate wait times to sell Lightning Lane. All it needs to do is not spend the time and money to fix these reliabilty problems.

The downtime, by itself, will convince people to buy Lightning Lane. And nobody's doing a nickle up at Folsom for fraud. Plus they save money on maintenance. It's a win/win.

Also, Tiana's is in the top 3 of highest-rated rides in the MK, along with TRON and Space. It'll be #1 by June.

ETA: Link to WSJ story about internal data from Disney with LL revenue numbers.
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TLDR: If it’s broke, don’t fix it.
 

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