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[lazyboy97o]

It should be evaluated and updated as the long range plans for the area evolve…. Which is why it’s basically their responsibility to do so and why it’s normal to do so on the long range timeline.

The 2022 version maybe incompatible with the new strategy. The 2022 version unlikely has anything worth dying on that hill for.

Yes, you evaluate first and then make changes. Not decide to make undisclosed changes and then work up a rationalization. There is nothing normal about chucking a very new plan for unspecified reasons. It’s a decade timeline that had just started, not a whenever there are new people timeline.

What new strategy? That’s the problem. The district has never actually identified what was wrong with the 2032 Comprehensive Plan other than they didn’t create it, they wanted to change the development regulations to use them as a censorship tool and their big public non-issue (lie) of affordable housing.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Think they’ll ever change the district name back?

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, you evaluate first and then make changes. Not decide to make undisclosed changes and then work up a rationalization. There is nothing normal about chucking a very new plan for unspecified reasons.

We also know the 2022 version was kinda out of order in its timing to. Again, if its not worth clenching to and you have a deal in motion… this isn’t a fight. That’s why one should assume there are deals already in flight.

What new strategy?

A disney and cftod collaboration that didn’t exist in 2022… a corporate long range plan that has changed in the last few years… maybe even an approach to how things are done since the players have changed too.

Things certainly aren’t the same as they once were. They are signaling both sides are ready to write a new baseline between them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We also know the 2022 version was kinda out of order in its timing to. Again, if its not worth clenching to and you have a deal in motion… this isn’t a fight. That’s why one should assume there are deals already in flight.

A disney and cftod collaboration that didn’t exist in 2022… a corporate long range plan that has changed in the last few years… maybe even an approach to how things are done since the players have changed too.

Things certainly aren’t the same as they once were. They are signaling both sides are ready to write a new baseline between them.

Why are you calling it the 2022 plan? There was a 2020 Comprehensive Plan and a 2032 Comprehensive Plan.

The actual work of the 2032 Comprehensive Plan was not just rushed through. It was finalized to ensure the area had an actual zoning plan lest the area suddenly find itself without.

Assuming deals are in place means there are serious issues. One, comprehensive plans are not supposed to be secret. Two, they are not something that should be completed so quickly. The assumption is that recent personnel changes were actually part of settlement but any new planning changes would have included those very persons who were removed.

Nothing about Disney’s corporate strategy changes requires a change to the comprehensive plan. Comprehensive plans aren’t that specific. Disney isn’t changing Walt Disney World to something other than a theme park resort. This is further evident that Disney is able to move forward in the mean time under the 2020 plan.

Again, the district has not identified what has changed or what was problematic with the 2032 Plan. Just having different leadership is not supposed to change a comprehensive plan. Do they not intend to be a tourism district? They’re okay with the 2020 Plan and much of that was retained with the 2032 Plan. It should be incredibly easy to point to one of the few changes that is so egregious that it requires chucking the whole thing. The original board hated the plan for illegitimate purposes and you’re trying to whitewash that same desired outcome as totally normal when it is not.

 

[flynnibus]

Why are you calling it the 2022 plan? There was a 2020 Comprehensive Plan and a 2032 Comprehensive Plan.

The changes done in 2022 - the 2032 plan

The actual work of the 2032 Comprehensive Plan was not just rushed through. It was finalized to ensure the area had an actual zoning plan lest the area suddenly find itself without.

Because they were already off schedule from renewing the prior plan. They were overdue.

Assuming deals are in place means there are serious issues. One, comprehensive plans are not supposed to be secret. Two, they are not something that should be completed so quickly. The assumption is that recent personnel changes were actually part of settlement but any new planning changes would have included those very persons who were removed.

"serious issues" - sure, like 1A retailiation... like disenfranchisement? etc etc. This is not about purity - this is about two sides getting something negotiated.. and it's obviously something happening outside just the district board members.

Stop hanging on what would happen in a completely open, no backroom situation.. We obviously aren't there anymore. And nothing about the settlement besides "why would disney... ?" suggest an abnormal timeline for an updated Comp Plan. The trick is what are they scheming for their Developer Agreement... knowing the Comp Plan is also part of the hubbub... but can't be locked in as quickly.

Nothing about Disney’s corporate strategy changes requires a change to the comprehensive plan. Comprehensive plans aren’t that specific. Disney isn’t changing Walt Disney World to something other than a theme park resort. This is further evident that Disney is able to move forward in the mean time under the 2020 plan.

Land Management, Long Range Transportation Planning, and other topics are all part of it.. so yes, Disney's corporate strategy for WDW is very much part of the Comp Plan they'll be scheming...

Again, the district has not identified what has changed or what was problematic with the 2032 Plan. Just having different leadership is not supposed to change a comprehensive plan. Do they not intend to be a tourism district? They’re okay with the 2020 Plan and much of that was retained with the 2032 Plan. It should be incredibly easy to point to one of the few changes that is so egregious that it requires chucking the whole thing. The original board hated the plan for illegitimate purposes and you’re trying to whitewash that same desired outcome as totally normal when it is not.

You're beating a dead horse for an answer you know they don't need to give. It's not really convincing anyone.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Stop hanging on what would happen in a completely open, no backroom situation.. We obviously aren't there anymore. And nothing about the settlement besides "why would disney... ?" suggest an abnormal timeline for an updated Comp Plan. The trick is what are they scheming for their Developer Agreement... knowing the Comp Plan is also part of the hubbub... but can't be locked in as quickly.

You're beating a dead horse for an answer you know they don't need to give. It's not really convincing anyone.

The district is still a government body and is not supposed to be engaging in secret decision making. So yes, this is by law something that is supposed to be open and answered.

 

[flynnibus]

The district is still a government body and is not supposed to be engaging in secret decision making. So yes, this is by law something that is supposed to be open and answered.

So sue 'em

 

[wdwmagic]

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney​

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney

www.wdwmagic.com

 

[flynnibus]

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney​

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney

Disney's CEO Bob Iger says settlement agreement with Oversight District is a 'win-win' for Disney

www.wdwmagic.com

Sounds like walking away from the Federal case is only a matter of formality at this point... or the roof caving in. Those aren't the words of someone cautiously optimistic for an outcome... those are the words of someone who already knows the game plan and they aren't holdiing a gun to anyone.

 

[mmascari]

Sounds like walking away from the Federal case is only a matter of formality at this point... or the roof caving in.

Same formality as completing the new agreement. They clearly think everyone will work in good faith and get an acceptable resolution. One where not having representation in the CFTOD board is ok.

 

[MR.Dis]

Federal Judge officially granted a 60 day delay on the Federal Case. Disney requested so a new developement agreement could be negotiated, the CFTOD did not object.

 

[Dcgc28]

Federal Judge officially granted a 60 day delay on the Federal Case. Disney requested so a new developement agreement, the CFTOD did object.

They objected the delay?

 

[mkt]

Federal Judge officially granted a 60 day delay on the Federal Case. Disney requested so a new developement agreement, the CFTOD did object.

what's the new case number?

Disregard, found it. 24-10342-H

 

[mkt]

Here's the motion

 

[MR.Dis]

They objected the delay?

error, I edited the original post

 

[Dcgc28]

error, I edited the original post

All good! I was going to be blown away lol

 

[Batman'sParents]

Was curious about this: Is there an expectation that CFTOD will delegate some responsibilities to the cities as part of the understanding between the state and Disney?

 

[flyakite]

 

[DCBaker]

The agenda outline for the next CFTOD meeting on Wednesday, April 24 is available at this link*: https://www.oversightdistrict.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/BOS-Meeting-04-24-24-Agenda-Outline.pdf

*Edited to update as the link was changed after posting (thanks @flynnibus!).

 

[wdwmagic]

The agenda outline for the next CFTOD meeting on Wednesday, April 24 is available at this link: https://www.oversightdistrict.org/w...BOS-Meeting-04-24-24-Agenda-Outline-Final.pdf

Amazing, there is actually some real business on the agenda for a change.