Disstevefan1
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lazyboy97o
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Because it takes time to produce do all of the drawings and documents required to actually build something. TRON was announced before all of that started. Site work started very early in that process. Construction and design were overlapped, but it repeatedly gets lumped together as just construction.
JohnD
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That's the argument about AK that always annoys me. "It's not like there is an overabundance of rides at the park". As if the walking trails and shows are completely worthless. AK is a unique park. In addition to "rides", there are three live shows (as of this week, in fact), one 3D movie, and two main walking trails and worth experiencing. If park commandos would only stop and take the time to enjoy everything there is to offer in AK, it wouldn't be the "half-day" park as they claim.
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Jrb1979
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I wasn't lumping them together. It was announced in 2017. Construction began in 2018. I know they had a delay due to Covid but that was still only a year. It's taking them close to 3 years to actually build this. I know Disney rides are more complex to build due to theming and the building required for the ride but it feels like they take their time to build new attractions
lazyboy97o
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Even in 2018 the design work was not done.
Jrb1979
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It's no wonder they take so long. How do you start construction without having the design work done. They announce new attractions but seemingly only have the artwork done.
lazyboy97o
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No, that allows construction work to start sooner. Early site work and fast-track project delivery are not unique to Disney. They knew the footprint of the building so they could start work that doesn’t require knowing everything.
Jrb1979
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I agree it's not unique to Disney. Every other park when the build a new attraction it's usually planned years before. Now that I'm understanding the process it would make more sense for Disney to follow other parks lead and not announce new attractions til they are further along in the process of it being built.
Chip Chipperson
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I agree. Animal Kingdom shouldn't become a park that's overrun with rides - although it could use 1 or 2 more to spread out the crowds a bit (especially if the new ride(s) aren't E-ticket level, but still good enough to draw people away from other things in the park). I've never done any of the trails at Animal Kingdom, but I'm hoping to rectify that on my next visit to the park. At first, I didn't even know about most of the trails, etc. at the park. I knew about the train but thought it was just a thing for kids (and wasn't even sure where it was, anyway). On my next visit, I plan to do the Gorilla Falls trail or the Wildlife Express, if not both.
JohnD
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The other main walking trail is the Maharaja Jungle Trek in Asia where you can see tigers, among other animals. Smaller walking trails with smaller animal exhibits include Oasis (it's not just the AK "Main Street". Stop and look around at the animals there) and the Discovery Island trail by the Tree of Life. The Wildlife Express is hit-or-miss. It basically takes you to a petting zoo and there may or may not be a demonstration show of one sort or the other there.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Disney is extremely good at building buildings expeditiously, they build hotels on very normal timetables. They’re also good at building rides in California quickly. Spider-Man and indeed the entire Avengers Campus took less than 3 years despite a pandemic. Timelines continuously seem to be a problem confined to attractions at WDW. I don’t think it’s an unfair criticism.
It's historically been a problem with BVC more than anything else, from what I'm told. Disney essentially needs to rebuild their construction companies in Florida to get attractions built on the right timetables.
lazyboy97o
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I’m not saying Disney isn’t slow, I’m saying TRON is not an example of that slowness.
And it’s not unique to Walt Disney World. Avengers Campus spent years in development hell, reused a lot of existing facilities so it couldn’t do things like early site work and opened with its major new attraction still stuck in development hell.
The criticism becomes unfair because people just pick some date when they see something happening and then assume all projects start that visible work at the same time in the design process and that the design process is short and uniform. People assumed that work should have started sooner on TRON and Ratatouille because “they were already designed.”
Buena Vista Construction doesn’t build the major projects. That’s handled by third party contractors and they’re not the issue.
Pre-pandemic, when I compared Disney building to Universal building using site (de)construction as the starting point. Universal was faster, but, not by much. And there were several projects Disney built as quickly as Uni. But, people often exaggerated the difference.
The Potter lands were each 2.5 years. Pandora was 3.5 years. But several people on these forums kept saying that Potter took 2 years and Pandora took 4 years, changing the one year difference to two years.
I regard any type of measure or comparison that took place over the pandemic as unhelpful. If one company wants to forge ahead with construction while the other decides to halt, how do you then compare 'build times' between them? Despite scoffs and calls to "just pay more!" there was indeed a labor and supply shortage.
Any comparisons in the past three years is, in my considered opinion, useless.
We've seen Disney drag its feet on several projects and then suddenly accelerate them. Rather than concluding that Disney is just slow in building, a better reason would be that decisions to halt or forge ahead were made on cash balances and projected earnings, especially considering Disney just had two of their world parks shut down again.
Oh, BTW, WRT TRON... as a sign of the flying by the seat of the pants, WDW originally had TRON in one place in their first permit, and then moved it in their second permit.
The Potter lands were each 2.5 years. Pandora was 3.5 years. But several people on these forums kept saying that Potter took 2 years and Pandora took 4 years, changing the one year difference to two years.
I regard any type of measure or comparison that took place over the pandemic as unhelpful. If one company wants to forge ahead with construction while the other decides to halt, how do you then compare 'build times' between them? Despite scoffs and calls to "just pay more!" there was indeed a labor and supply shortage.
Any comparisons in the past three years is, in my considered opinion, useless.
We've seen Disney drag its feet on several projects and then suddenly accelerate them. Rather than concluding that Disney is just slow in building, a better reason would be that decisions to halt or forge ahead were made on cash balances and projected earnings, especially considering Disney just had two of their world parks shut down again.
Oh, BTW, WRT TRON... as a sign of the flying by the seat of the pants, WDW originally had TRON in one place in their first permit, and then moved it in their second permit.
UNCgolf
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They have the animation experience up there full time now -- focused on drawing different animal characters. It's pretty fun and worth going up there to do.
We drew Tick-Tock when I was there last.
ToTBellHop
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I think it would have looked stunning on Tom Sawyer Island as originally planned. The Grid across from Haunted Mansion? Chef’s kiss.
TRON cycles should have gone through the castle and the whole Western side of the park. It would've been like the people mover. And then it could have been pitched as the cycles breaking out of their computer arcade game and going through computer MMORPGs set in different genres!!
Jrb1979
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IMO Disney would be better off not announcing anything til later in the process of creating the new attraction. The critism comes from that most other parks don't announce the new attraction til it's passed the planning and development stage. Due to that it feels it's done much quicker.
ToTBellHop
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That’s the only way I would have ever gotten into the Cinderella Castle Suite…
MickeyLuv'r
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Currently, a key thing to do when visiting Rafiki's Planet Watch is the animation drawing class. Current schedule (subject to change) is 10am, 10:45am, 11:30am, 12:15pm, 1:45pm, 2:30pm, 3:15pm, 4pm, and 4:45pm.
The class takes about 25minutes. An animator shows step-by-step how to draw a Disney or Pixar character. It is open to all ages but is a little beyond the ability of very young children. (They are given classic coloring book pages and crayons if they want.) Everyone else comes away with a free drawing if they participate.
I agree the animal attractions are worth visiting, but I also think AK needs more attractions. For a long time, the only rides small children could ride were the safari, Triceratops Spin and later Na'vi. Compared to over 15 attractions they can ride in MK. Even Epcot has 7 all ages rides.