News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[HauntedPirate]

That's a prominent rumor (with some evidence, I believe) - and one thing I would genuinely be excited about in a new project like this. Honestly, if this had more of a personality/perspective and wasn't directly in the Wilderness Lodge lake view, I think it would be a very nice project. Perhaps unnecessary right now - but nice.

A lazy river. And an interactive water play area. Plus a pool with a water slide and also a feature pool. And a lakeside table service restaurant, new boat dock, cabins along the lake and treehouses. If certain posters and rumors are to be believed.

 

[Agent H]

Are we still on for Tiana’s place?

 

[Disstevefan1]

A lazy river. And an interactive water play area. Plus a pool with a water slide and also a feature pool. And a lakeside table service restaurant, new boat dock, cabins along the lake and treehouses. If certain posters and rumors are to be believed.

Those DVCers are lucky

 

[HauntedPirate]

Those DVCers are lucky

You think the cash rooms will be excluded from the main pool area for the entire resort?

 

[nickys]

attractions cost money to build and maintain DVC cost nothing and make money year after year and money is all Disney is interested in

It costs as much as building any other resort. They only get the money back when they sell enough contracts.
And in the case of the Cabins at FW, they’ll be waiting a looooooong time to recoup the upfront costs.

 

[Andrew C]

Let's hope not.

There are plenty of examples of announced Disney Projects that have not happened.

See Disney's America
DisneySea at Port Disney (Long Beach)
More locally... Main Street Theater
Numerous WS pavilions, some even has official Preview centers like Equatorial Africa.

I have not even mentioned the ones from your park.

Nah. Don't need (or want) another pandemic for planned vs reality to be a factor which has always and will always be a factor.

Likely to be soulless like the rest of their recent stuff anyways.

 

[BrianLo]

I’d say it’s probably a bit beyond a rumour. Not company officiated, but Steve tagged and published it as news on the front page.

 

[John park hopper]

It costs as much as building any other resort. They only get the money back when they sell enough contracts.
And in the case of the Cabins at FW, they’ll be waiting a looooooong time to recoup the upfront costs.

Disney recoups all the costs when they sell all their long term contracts. Guarantied income for years to come. When they build a resort it takes years to recoup building costs and unlike DVC they don't always have 100% occupancy --that is the difference and that is why no new resorts in years . Cabins were a big mistake Disney's arrogance calling them cabins and charging a fortune

 

[MisterPenguin]

Let's hope not.

There are plenty of examples of announced Disney Projects that have not happened.

See Disney's America
DisneySea at Port Disney (Long Beach)
More locally... Main Street Theater
Numerous WS pavilions, some even has official Preview centers like Equatorial Africa.

I have not even mentioned the ones from your park.

Nah. Don't need (or want) another pandemic for planned vs reality to be a factor which has always and will always be a factor.

To be fair, the pandemic caused delays and potential materials/labor increases. It was not the actual cause of Harmonious' failure and having to spend even more to create Luminous, cancelling the Table for CommuniCore Hall, lighting fiascos, cancelling PLAY!, poor storytelling in Guardians, cancelling SEE (which was probably a blessing), etc.

It played a role on the timeline, no doubt - and you can't rebuild demolished buildings. But, Disney created many of it's own issues with the EPCOT redo that have nothing to do with the pandemic.

Now back to Mistake on the Lake: The Residences.

1. Main Street Theater was indeed going to be built. It wasn't cancelled willy nilly. The area was not suitable for the construction and they didn't budget for the extra cost to make it suitable. I'm disappointed it didn't happen. MK needs a full theater indoor live show.

2. You're both forgetting something about the pandemic: Not only did it cause supply issues, it caused lack-of-cash issues. Disney *profits* $2B a quarter, at least. But not during the pandemic... they were barely breaking even. So, the billions of dollars they normally would have made didn't happen. So projects got cut. And in order to make up for the loss of linear/broadcast TV that was about to happen from 'cord cutting,' TWDC made a very intentional decision to make streaming their top priority, even at the expense of the parks. What 'little' cash the had and were making in the post-pandemic 'distancing' era all went to streaming.

If you lose your job and are living on unemployment, you don't decide that's the time to hire people to renovate the kitchen. You instead focus on getting a new job.

I'm only responding here to cutbacks on projects. Doing a bad job on the projects that did happen is a separate issue.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

2. You're both forgetting something about the pandemic: Not only did it cause supply issues, it caused lack-of-cash issues. Disney *profits* $2B a quarter, at least. But not during the pandemic... they were barely breaking even. So, the billions of dollars they normally would have made didn't happen. So projects got cut. And in order to make up for the loss of linear/broadcast TV that was about to happen from 'cord cutting,' TWDC made a very intentional decision to make streaming their top priority, even at the expense of the parks. What 'little' cash the had and were making in the post-pandemic 'distancing' era all went to streaming.

If you lose your job and are living on unemployment, you don't decide that's the time to hire people to renovate the kitchen. You instead focus on getting a new job.

I'm only responding here to cutbacks on projects. Doing a bad job on the projects that did happen is a separate issue.

Oh - very fair. I don't think we actually disagree that much. In a Quarter-to-Quarter Wall Street economy (separate conversation there), pivots were required. I am focused on the decisions made and what was allowed to move forward. I would argue moving forward with some of the projects (as decided post-cuts) was itself a bad job to begin with. But, that's where there are different opinions. I don't think it would be fair for anyone to say Covid was PURELY a timing issue without financial impacts. I just don't think they responded very well to the realities and created some additional, unnecessary problems and poor results independent of those very real results of the pandemic and then-current economy.

 

[dseepersad]

I am sincerely worried about the future of Fort Wilderness, this resort is being built at the Settlement, within feet of Pioneer Hall. I am not a happy camper .