HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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I think they could make an effort to “work on plans” publicly to show the resort has positive momentum but really the resort simply cannot afford it as of right now

Best case scenario they manage to sacrifice 20 years of expansion potential to dump out a WDS park and everyone hates it, worst case the attempted expansion bankrupts the resort entirely

Right now probably the best thing they could do is start on the esplanade and maybe try to integrate inspiration lake better, just give guests a reason to go that isn’t going into the park. But as marni points out they have probably ran the ROI on that and found it lacking

But it also seems like that simply pumping more into Disneyland alone isn’t enough because the park in its current iteration should draw more guests than it actually does relative to the other 5 magics
 
Blue Daredevil

Blue Daredevil

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Supersnow84 said:
I think they could make an effort to “work on plans” publicly to show the resort has positive momentum but really the resort simply cannot afford it as of right now

Best case scenario they manage to sacrifice 20 years of expansion potential to dump out a WDS park and everyone hates it, worst case the attempted expansion bankrupts the resort entirely

Right now probably the best thing they could do is start on the esplanade and maybe try to integrate inspiration lake better, just give guests a reason to go that isn’t going into the park. But as marni points out they have probably ran the ROI on that and found it lacking

But it also seems like that simply pumping more into Disneyland alone isn’t enough because the park in its current iteration should draw more guests than it actually does relative to the other 5 magics
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If I were in charge, I would greenlight the construction of a Bon Voyage/World of Disney store along with a Starbucks on the esplanade — the ROI is a no-brainer. If successful enough, a second phase could bring a LEGO store, a QSR, and a TSR.

As for the Tarzan Treehouse, it could be rethemed into a Duffy and Friends walkthrough attraction (this one must be the "Reimagined attraction" mentioned during the announcement of the second expansion plan) , similar to the Adventureland Treehouse at Disneyland Resort, with each character having their own dedicated room filled with interactive elements.

An equivalent to Peter Pan’s Flight is sorely needed — perhaps themed to Aladdin? Soarin’, Toy Story Mania, and a large raft or E-ticket-scale flume ride should also be seriously considered.
 
Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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Blue Daredevil said:
If I were in charge, I would greenlight the construction of a Bon Voyage/World of Disney store along with a Starbucks on the esplanade — the ROI is a no-brainer. If successful enough, a second phase could bring a LEGO store, a QSR, and a TSR.

As for the Tarzan Treehouse, it could be rethemed into a Duffy and Friends walkthrough attraction (this one must be the "Reimagined attraction" mentioned during the announcement of the second expansion plan) , similar to the Adventureland Treehouse at Disneyland Resort, with each character having their own dedicated room filled with interactive elements.

An equivalent to Peter Pan’s Flight is sorely needed — perhaps themed to Aladdin? Soarin’, Toy Story Mania, and a large raft or E-ticket-scale flume ride should also be seriously considered.
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That’s kinda the problem with the lower half of your comment, it just seems like adding to the current park’s offerings is simply not enough

FEA basically acts as a pseudo replacement for the third dark ride in fantasyland (not that it couldn’t have a fourth) and with arendelle as a wider land the park now has roughly the same number of attractions as Paris. Sure it could be argued Paris’s ride roster is more balanced and Paris as a “themed space” is leagues ahead of HK outside of arendelle but that still doesn’t seem to come close to explaining the guest discrepancy.

Let’s say we went blue sky on Disneyland, rethemed some space in fantasyland into a 4th dark ride, the TOT marvel opens with a courtyard and more themed space, we use the big pavilion plot to give one more E ticket flume ride and another d ticket plus a big expansion to space. With those changes the park would be rivalling Tokyo/magic for rides only really behind Disneyland Anaheim. However even with all those changes (which would be taking till like 2035 anyway) do people think that would give it Tokyo numbers (hell even Shanghai numbers)

I really don’t think it’s the quality of Disneylands offerings that are holding the wider resort back
 
DLR92

DLR92

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I really do think HK Resort needs a second park. Where exactly any expansion space left for HK Disneyland? Or they might as well remove Toy Story Land for something more quality.
 
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LameBoi

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Working on plans for an expansion is a no brainer. They aren’t ready for a second gate yet, but planning for one doesn’t hurt. Like I’ve said, there are already multiple concepts for a second gate. If the funds and demand are there to support a second gate, they could immediately start construction with blueprints in hand. If there is something Hong Kong is famous for, it’s preplanning for the future. You could see it in the highway leading to HKDL, leaving a stub-end for a highway extension towards a future Phase 3 (further land reclamation from the Phase 2 land).

I’ve had a thought and maybe a hindrance for HKDL and the greater city of HK in this current economic climate is how expensive it is compared to the mainland and HK’s neighbors. The HK Dollar is directly tied to the USD. A strong dollar means less purchasing power for travelers from neighboring Asian countries and mainlanders.
 
no.swatz

no.swatz

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lazyboy97o said:
They could not. Projects are not funded that way nor do they work that way.
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Yea also they are taking the "second gate" talk slowly. They (government officials and HKDL board) are still discussing on expansions inside the park (Hong Kong Disneyland) instead of the entire resort itself.

I'm still surprised how only HALF of the budget was spent so far with the opening of Castle of Magical Dreams, the addition of the daytime castle show (Follow Your Dreams), a Moana show in Adventureland, the nighttime spectacular Momentous, Ant Man and the Wasp Nano Battle (retheme of Buzz Lightyear), Iron Man Experience and World of Frozen.
 
IMDREW

IMDREW

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no.swatz said:
Yea also they are taking the "second gate" talk slowly. They (government officials and HKDL board) are still discussing on expansions inside the park (Hong Kong Disneyland) instead of the entire resort itself.

I'm still surprised how only HALF of the budget was spent so far with the opening of Castle of Magical Dreams, the addition of the daytime castle show (Follow Your Dreams), a Moana show in Adventureland, the nighttime spectacular Momentous, Ant Man and the Wasp Nano Battle (retheme of Buzz Lightyear), Iron Man Experience and World of Frozen.
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Surely the spidey tower and pixar venue cant make up for the other half?
 
Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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I’m assuming they over supplied budget money to quinjet expecting the revolutionary new technology would be super expensive and they didn’t want the budget to run short

Now that it’s been replaced with a more generic TOT they probably have excess budget but since some of that budget is from the government they want it re-allocated, not just absorbed into the park funds. But they also want the original plans actually built before they discuss re-distributing excess budget

The Pixar zone is entirely independent and the park itself going “see we don’t always need the government to help us pay for everything” and much is why it’s happening alongside the expansion
 
Timothy_Q

Timothy_Q

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Really wish they'd bring their Pirates concept back, on the plot east of Grizzly
The park still lacks a proper water ride

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Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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I’m not opposed to a log flume in any way but honestly I feel like they could substitute the “water ride” by just making FEA get you a little more wet.

Some seats on FEA do get wet, if it was more like splash in terms of how wet you got on the main drop it could fill the log flume position without much effort
 
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LameBoi

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With all this talk about expansion, HKDL will have to restructure backstage sooner than later to create more room. Tokyo has been actively tearing down backstage of Adventureland and now we know why.



I guess the Jungle Cruise will be replaced now in TDR.
 
Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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The resort doesn’t own any land they could relocate the cast areas to (all they could really do is make them more dense)

There is currently 3 primary cast only areas in HK.

1) north of arendelle/west of space
2) north of Main Street
3) south of Main Street/east of theatre in the jungle

The resort owns no “off park land” they could move these to as the only unused land they own right now is the 4th hotel and the other expansion pad east of grizzly (plus off siting cast areas is a nightmare for the cast especially if the park has land integrity, I don’t know if HK has land integrity or not). Of those three sites the only “useful” pad is north of arendelle but that’s also the hardest to move because that’s the vast majority of cast space anyway. They may be able to condense it and open one more pad directly west of space but it’s debatable, arguably everything east of rehearsal road could be made guest facing but with the design of the lands opening a pad where in that zone would be awkward from a guest flow perspective, they’d probably have to rip down storybook theatre and have it flow from small world’s courtyard

The original park is just starting to run out of land since it’s boxed in on all sides. This was always meant to be countered by the second gate, not condensing the cast only areas
 

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