9/11

twinnstar

Active Member
I found this interesting because they did not compare my id to anything, they just looked at it, looked at me, and opened the gate. So I called the front desk and asked why the check was being done. They said well there was an attack and they needed to check id's. I said that was fine, but explained that looking at my drivers license, and comparing it to nothing, and then opening the gate, was false security. After all the terrorists had to have shown id to get on the planes that day. The cast member said oh that makes sense, please hold on and I will get the manager. I spoke with the manager for a little while and she admitted to me that they were not sure what to do. I guess if you "make someone feel safe" it is as good as real safety.:lookaroun

The next day they had temporary security checks at the gates of all othe parks to look into bags, etc... Security at Disney is still a joke to this day, but whatever. As long as people "feel" safe, that's what matters.

I love that you actually called and complained about that. Everytime I go into a park, I want to complain about the security too. I personally dont feel i NEED it (if something happens, its gonna happen, is my feeling), BUT - If you're gonna have it, at least do it right. Glancing in my two foot deep bag for a milisecond is security? What a joke. Who knows what the hell I could have in there, and they don't even bother to take 30 seconds to really look. Ha..."Security"

The Security guys are usually very Disney-brand-cheery though, and a nice welcome into the park for me haha LOL ;)
 

twinnstar

Active Member
Xethos, you needn't worry. In ten more years 9/11 will just be another date much as 12/7 is today or Memorial Day is just a day for a picnic. We, as a nation have short memories.

I feel you and agree with your discouragement about they way we remember tragic events. But I disagree with your statement. Memorial Day, Veterans Day, WW2, WW1, Vietnam, etc - they are all war related. And for the US, the people who were lost during those times were men and women who were serving for the most part. But 9/11 was 'unprovoked' and killed civilians. I dont think planes flying into your city is something you are going to forget about soon. I am a NYer, so maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to think this one is a little different.

Also, as someone who was in Manhattan that day along with Xethos - I agree with her sentiment as well. I know what day it is. I wont ever ever forget. My father is in the FDNY and was also there that day - and worked there for weeks. I dont mind the solemn remembrances, or the memorials for people that need to grieve, or would like to participate, and in my own way I will think and reflect as well. But, I'd rather not be reminded about it while im on vacation, especially in a place such as Disney World.
 
We were at Disneyland on 9/11 in 2008. They had a longer flag retreat ceremony than usual. There was a special spiel about thanking those who serve in the face of danger. It was very nice.
 

tink729

Active Member
Also, as someone who was in Manhattan that day along with Xethos - I agree with her sentiment as well. I know what day it is. I wont ever ever forget. My father is in the FDNY and was also there that day - and worked there for weeks. I dont mind the solemn remembrances, or the memorials for people that need to grieve, or would like to participate, and in my own way I will think and reflect as well. But, I'd rather not be reminded about it while im on vacation, especially in a place such as Disney World.

I agree wholeheartedly. Perhaps it is because I was also in New York City that day and currently still reside in New York. I wonder if because I have a daily view of the altered skyline and am constantly reminded and subdued by the events of that day, I am less prone to want to experience a large scale memorial. I think the general agreement among New Yorkers is that on anniversaries so monumental such as the tenth, a larger memorial is to be expected, but other than that we already live with the constant reminder of the tragedy every day of our lives here. I do not argue that we forget, but rather that we be allowed to remember and reflect in our own ways. If I were in Disney on the anniversary, I would rather not be reminded of the grief and memories that I experience every day at home otherwise. As has been stated here already, Disney is supposed to be the Happiest Place On Earth, visitors should be able to experience that place while showing respect in their own chosen ways.
 

jlevis

Well-Known Member
I feel you and agree with your discouragement about they way we remember tragic events. But I disagree with your statement. Memorial Day, Veterans Day, WW2, WW1, Vietnam, etc - they are all war related. And for the US, the people who were lost during those times were men and women who were serving for the most part. But 9/11 was 'unprovoked' and killed civilians. I dont think planes flying into your city is something you are going to forget about soon. I am a NYer, so maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to think this one is a little different.

Okay, what do you or anyone else do to remember Oklahoma City. That was unprovoked and killed civilians.
 

smw

Active Member
Who are you to determine the appropriate response for people? The lack of flags, anthems, and parades doesn't necessary imply something's been forgotten.
 

menamechris

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There are obviously different opinions about how 9/11 is remembered ten years later. I have to side with a few others - I am not a New Yorker, I was nowhere near NY when it happened - and quite frankly, I tend to agree that the upcoming generation will consider 9/11 to go the same way as Pearl Harbor Day or really any veteran type holiday. My nephew was born in 2001, and being 10 now - he doesn't grasp or differentiate that event from any other catastrophic event in his history book. For our generation - it was huge. But I am personally choosing to not forget, but move on... If Disney decides to do a moment of silence or something special at the Flag Ceremony - I am in full support and agreement of that. If they choose not to, I understand that position, as well.
 

sweetpee_1993

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Xethos, you needn't worry. In ten more years 9/11 will just be another date much as 12/7 is today or Memorial Day is just a day for a picnic. We, as a nation have short memories.

I know it seems that the majority of people have short memories when it comes to these things. I think less do than what you think. It's human nature not to stand out too much so if nobody else around someone is making any sort of observance of these other notable dates then it's natural for a person to keep their thoughts to themselves. But the thought IS there which has it's own meaning. That said, I'd like to add that all is not lost on our youth. My boys are both pretty good at bringing up Pearl Harbor Day every December 7th. My youngest, 13 yrs old, likes to recite the speech that the president gave over the radio using his same tone & inflections. My boys know and they do remember. I never can remember but they let me know.

Veteran's Day is meaningful to me on a personal level. No, I was never in the military but my dad was. He served in the Navy for 24 years. He has deteriorated so much in the past 10 years or so into his mental health issues that stem from PTSD. The saying goes that "All gave some, some gave all." Well, I like to also remember the families. The price for my dad's service doesn't end with his illness. I have missed out on a lot in my lifetime because of my dad's service. I continue to lose every day as I watch him decend further. The heartbreaking part is what my children lose. They'll never know their Grandpaw as the adventurous, fun-loving, playful man he really is. Instead they know him as the person who never leaves his house which hurts them because they think it's because he doesn't love them enough to come visit. I can explain all day the whys but it doesn't stop their pain anymore than it stops mine.

I think about the first responders who were lost on 9/11 as well as those who survived. I think about their families. I think about the people who bore witness to the event whether in person or on television. I think about the innocent people who lost their lives and their loved ones. I think about all these things and how the impact of that day doesn't touch just some. The effects will go on for a very long time even when you least expect it. It was a day that changed us all. These are things I discuss with my boys in depth. I think that 9/11 is far more than a mark in our nation's history for them. At the time they were only 3 & 5. My youngest only remembers that I changed the channel on tv from his favorite show to a building on fire and I cried. My oldest remembers that I checked him out of Kindergarten early, that a lot of kids went home early, teachers were crying, and there was something really terribly wrong. They weren't aware of the depth when it happened but they get it now especially after we took them to the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum this year. It's up to parents to teach their kids these things. Schools don't and won't do it justice.

Even before all the hullabaloo that's been in the media recently (a couple months ago at least) I put a reminder in my calendar to stop & observe the moment of silence at 8:46. It's what I want to do. I require it of my boys. I will ask our photographer who will be with us in World Showcase that morning for our portrait session to excuse us or join us. That's always been my plan. I won't stop living life the way we would have but a moment of honor and thoughtful reflection isn't a bad thing.

Each person should observe the moment or day if they feel they should. If some don't want to be reminded of it they can do that, too. :wave:
 

Crush Dude!

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I know it seems that the majority of people have short memories when it comes to these things. I think less do than what you think. It's human nature not to stand out too much so if nobody else around someone is making any sort of observance of these other notable dates then it's natural for a person to keep their thoughts to themselves. But the thought IS there which has it's own meaning. That said, I'd like to add that all is not lost on our youth. My boys are both pretty good at bringing up Pearl Harbor Day every December 7th. My youngest, 13 yrs old, likes to recite the speech that the president gave over the radio using his same tone & inflections. My boys know and they do remember. I never can remember but they let me know.

Veteran's Day is meaningful to me on a personal level. No, I was never in the military but my dad was. He served in the Navy for 24 years. He has deteriorated so much in the past 10 years or so into his mental health issues that stem from PTSD. The saying goes that "All gave some, some gave all." Well, I like to also remember the families. The price for my dad's service doesn't end with his illness. I have missed out on a lot in my lifetime because of my dad's service. I continue to lose every day as I watch him decend further. The heartbreaking part is what my children lose. They'll never know their Grandpaw as the adventurous, fun-loving, playful man he really is. Instead they know him as the person who never leaves his house which hurts them because they think it's because he doesn't love them enough to come visit. I can explain all day the whys but it doesn't stop their pain anymore than it stops mine.

I think about the first responders who were lost on 9/11 as well as those who survived. I think about their families. I think about the people who bore witness to the event whether in person or on television. I think about the innocent people who lost their lives and their loved ones. I think about all these things and how the impact of that day doesn't touch just some. The effects will go on for a very long time even when you least expect it. It was a day that changed us all. These are things I discuss with my boys in depth. I think that 9/11 is far more than a mark in our nation's history for them. At the time they were only 3 & 5. My youngest only remembers that I changed the channel on tv from his favorite show to a building on fire and I cried. My oldest remembers that I checked him out of Kindergarten early, that a lot of kids went home early, teachers were crying, and there was something really terribly wrong. They weren't aware of the depth when it happened but they get it now especially after we took them to the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum this year. It's up to parents to teach their kids these things. Schools don't and won't do it justice.

Even before all the hullabaloo that's been in the media recently (a couple months ago at least) I put a reminder in my calendar to stop & observe the moment of silence at 8:46. It's what I want to do. I require it of my boys. I will ask our photographer who will be with us in World Showcase that morning for our portrait session to excuse us or join us. That's always been my plan. I won't stop living life the way we would have but a moment of honor and thoughtful reflection isn't a bad thing.

Each person should observe the moment or day if they feel they should. If some don't want to be reminded of it they can do that, too. :wave:

My outlook too!
 

CaptainJackNO

Well-Known Member
Given the responses, we all need to realize that we all commemorate tragic events in our lives in different ways. Just because one of us handles things differently than another does not make the other wrong. We all agree the events of 9/11 were tragic. None of us will ever forget, either. So, arguing over what is appropriate is really pointless. As long as we never forget.:wave:
 

Crush Dude!

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Given the responses, we all need to realize that we all commemorate tragic events in our lives in different ways. Just because one of us handles things differently than another does not make the other wrong. We all agree the events of 9/11 were tragic. None of us will ever forget, either. So, arguing over what is appropriate is really pointless. As long as we never forget.:wave:

So True :wave:
 

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