7 Dwarves Mine Train track.....now onsite

mouse_luv

mouse_luv

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I just got back from WDW. Spent A LOT of time in that part of the MK and let me tell you, I was amazed with the progress they are making on the construction of this particular ride. I think they are doing a great job. On a side note, they are finishing decorating/adding the little Disney details on the little mermaid ride. Adding sea grass, etc to the exterior of the rock work. It looks so great and I can't wait to see it all even closer and ride these when they are finished. :D
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Pixiedustmaker said:
The lift hill components are a lot bigger than normal track, they have the anti-rollback track and the chain lift, which takes up a lot of vertical space. So, the rest of the track won't be nearly as "massive". BTW, there are certainly a lot of ways to move the sections of track without the use of a massive crane.
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There will be a crane used to install the track pieces you can rest assured.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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danlb_2000 said:
There is a piece of what appears to be the "normal" track, a piece without the lift components, in this picture. Not sure how you put something like that in place without a crane.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/mk_-_fantasyland_4.htm
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I assume you are referring to the second piece of track on the left? I think I can see a piece of the chain lift mechanism in it, hard to make out . . . for structural reasons, the lift hill might be made of heavy track to support itself, the majority of the rest of the non-lift hill track will not look like this.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Pixiedustmaker said:
I assume you are referring to the second piece of track on the left? I think I can see a piece of the chain lift mechanism in it, hard to make out . . . for structural reasons, the lift hill might be made of heavy track to support itself, the majority of the rest of the non-lift hill track will not look like this.
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Yeah, you may be right that that is a transitional piece. There is something silver along the left side of the picture but it's blurry so hard to make out exactly what it is.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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unkadug said:
I agree, but the construction will take the most effective route to accomplish the task.
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Are you implying that a crane is always the most effective way to move a piece of heavy construction material? If you are building a skyscraper, then it helps having a crane to move I-beams, but if you are structurally reinforcing a house's basement, and you just need to move one I-beam, you wouldn't spend thousands of dollars to rent a crane for this.

Therefore, your argument rests upon a generalization that is not correct in every situation.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Pixiedustmaker said:
Are you implying that a crane is always the most effective way to move a piece of heavy construction material? If you are building a skyscraper, then it helps having a crane to move I-beams, but if you are structurally reinforcing a house's basement, and you just need to move one I-beam, you wouldn't spend thousands of dollars to rent a crane for this.

Therefore, your argument rests upon a generalization that is not correct in every situation.
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That is NOT what I was implying.

I am saying that they will use the most effective method available for the job at hand.

But to suggest that they will build a rollercoaster without the use of a crane to lift the track pieces is absurd.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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danlb_2000 said:
Yeah, you may be right that that is a transitional piece. There is something silver along the left side of the picture but it's blurry so hard to make out exactly what it is.
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Not everything that glitters is gold, and this is most likely steel. Unless they want to make make the coaster as expensive as a real diamond mine! ;)
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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unkadug said:
That is NOT what I was implying.

I am saying that they will use the most effective method available for the job at hand.

But to suggest that they will build a rollercoaster without the use of a crane to lift the track pieces is absurd.
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The most effective method available will, of course, change for the job. Renting cranes is very expensive, and not very practical for certain smaller jobs.

LOL, It is not absurd to think they won't use a crane for everything, especially since not all of the track will be this massive, and there are other ways to move such track.

Are you aware of some of the refurbishments that other Disne roller coasters have received where large sections, or almost all, of the track has been replaced?
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Pixiedustmaker said:
The most effective method available will, of course, change for the job. Renting cranes is very expensive.

It is not absurd to think they won't use a crane for everything, especially since not all of the track will be this massive, and there are other ways to move such track.

Are aware of some of the refurbishments that other Disne roller coasters have received where large sections, or almost all, of the track has been replaced?
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You obviously have no construction experience.

Crane rentals aren't always for the massive skyscraper cranes.

There are many smaller cranes that can be driven in on a flatbed and used within hours.

They also are NOT that expensive.

Why would the crew opt to manhandle thousands of pounds of steel into place when a crane could do the job quicker and cheaper?

Your hypothesis holds no water.
 
cba

cba

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Turtle said:
Does anybody think that there is a POSSIBILITY of an early finish to the ride? Haha I'm hoping that they finish it earlier than expected so I can ride it in my Summer '13 trip. Too bad it's 2014 :/
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But we can still have a Disney failure and it might be done after 2014. Hopefully that's not the case, although that was the case for Test Track.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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cba said:
But we can still have a Disney failure and it might be done after 2014. Hopefully that's not the case, although that was the case for Test Track.
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I think that Test Track had problems with the its ride mechanism, which was new at the time, and they had to design a new computer system after that car crashed through the wall.

It's an interesting question, 7DMT does have a new ride mechanism in the swinging ride vehicles mounted on a roller coaster, though otherwise everything else is old hat, i.e. the chain hill, building animatronics and such. I would think that they'll build it in time, but there might potentially be some fine tuning, such as perhaps dampening the car oscillation.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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GoofGoof said:
I am still hoping the November 2013 version is pretty much the same as the 2014 version.
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The big thing to fall behind would be testing the new ride system and getting the computer safety system working properly. If they have to spend an extra three weeks with the computers, I don't think it means somebody will write them a check for $5 million to also put in an animatronic witch. As construction time is delayed, things sometimes get cut in order to save money, but we're talking Disney here . . . when a final version is agreed upon, that is what will be built.
 
juan

juan

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unkadug said:
You obviously have no construction experience.

Crane rentals aren't always for the massive skyscraper cranes.

There are many smaller cranes that can be driven in on a flatbed and used within hours.

They also are NOT that expensive.

Why would the crew opt to manhandle thousands of pounds of steel into place when a crane could do the job quicker and cheaper?

Your hypothesis holds no water.
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Agreed.

Sims is always at the parks and they have a huge fleet of mobile cranes with a wide range of capacities up to and over 50 tons.
 
BalooChicago

BalooChicago

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unkadug said:
Your hypothesis holds no water.
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Absolutely. The jobsite of my current project had four cranes at once last week, and one of them was just for loading material (2x, skylights) on the roof. Only one of them was very big, but even it was set up and taken down in a matter of an hour. The giant crane we had during steel erection took a full day to set up and take down, but 7DMT wouldn't require a crane of that capacity.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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BalooChicago said:
Absolutely. The jobsite of my current project had four cranes at once last week, and one of them was just for loading material (2x, skylights) on the roof. Only one of them was very big, but even it was set up and taken down in a matter of an hour. The giant crane we had during steel erection took a full day to set up and take down, but 7DMT wouldn't require a crane of that capacity.
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Good Points.

But the sections of lift track weigh a lot more than a simple truck mounted crane could handle, probably more than the I-Beams they had to hoist into place with the big cranes. There isn't any cheap crane which is easy to setup which could be used to move the track lifts from where they are, closer to where they will be welded into place.

Since it sounds like you were working on a residential project, most of your cranes probably wouldn't handle the load, these sections of lift track weigh a lot more than a skylight I would guess.

If I had to do the job, I would use a suitable dollie/truck to move the pieces to the construction site. And remember, they've built a second floor underneath the support columns. I would go with a combination of power wenches/pullies to deftly maneuver the needed sections of track into the building, though obviously there are other options.
 

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