6,500 Miles With the Crazies - A National Parks Road Trip Extravaganza

HouCuseChickie

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The first three years here were very unhappy ones for me. As soon as we moved into our own house, it got better. It's true what they say "Good fences make good neighbors.'' or in my case, make good in-laws. We desperately needed boundaries. I had told my husband that if we didn't have our own place in 6 months (this was after nearly 3 years of living with his parents), I wanted to move back to the US because I just couldn't stand to live like a naughty little child anymore, and I needed to have my own place and independence, where we could be a married couple, not someone's children. Then we got this house. We still have our moments, but I do love my in-laws, and we get along better now that we have that distance. I don't think they intended to hurt me, but just didn't realize how much I was going through and they thought they were doing the right thing, but it just wasn't what I needed. At the time I moved here, my mother had just passed, we had just put my dog to sleep a couple of weeks before mom died, and within a couple of weeks, we had packed up and moved all our stuff, quit our jobs, gave up the lease on our apartment....it all happened so quickly, and it was just so much change for me all at once, and so much to say goodbye to. They were so focused on me adapting to Dutch life, I don't think they stopped to think about everything I had just gone through and how I was feeling and that what I needed most was support. They weren't thinking about what I needed, but about what they wanted. I literally had less freedom than a teenager, and I don't think that's how they saw it, or rather, they didn't realize what they were doing to me. And part of that is on my husband, because he DID know, and he should have stood up for me more, but I think he was kind of blinded by his love for them. He knew they wouldn't intentionally hurt me, but he encouraged me to just let it all go because they MEANT well, instead of telling them to knock it off because they were being jerks.

I'm sorry it was such a bad experience. I've heard similar stories from others who had to live with their inlaws for extended periods...and most weren't dealing with the cultural differences you had in your mix. I'm glad that moving to your own place helped and you now have a better relationship with them. I think those now and then moments are just part of being human. You were definitely dealing with a lot on top of this move and the pressures put upon you in this situation. At least you're now past all of this, and like you said, they probably didn't intend to make your life miserable.
 

Songbird76

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I'm sorry it was such a bad experience. I've heard similar stories from others who had to live with their inlaws for extended periods...and most weren't dealing with the cultural differences you had in your mix. I'm glad that moving to your own place helped and you now have a better relationship with them. I think those now and then moments are just part of being human. You were definitely dealing with a lot on top of this move and the pressures put upon you in this situation. At least you're now past all of this, and like you said, they probably didn't intend to make your life miserable.
Yeah, I definitely don't recommend living with parents as an adult. I think the parents just default to "parenting" mode. And when it's someone else's home, it never feels like it's yours. You don't get to make any decisions about how to decorate, or well...anything. It's just never "home", and then being treated like a child on top of that, it's not fun.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Yeah, I definitely don't recommend living with parents as an adult. I think the parents just default to "parenting" mode. And when it's someone else's home, it never feels like it's yours. You don't get to make any decisions about how to decorate, or well...anything. It's just never "home", and then being treated like a child on top of that, it's not fun.

I can see that. While not the same situation, I've had friends move in with parents or inlaws while they were between closings or having a new home built. Their sanity was in shambles after a short while. When we moved, back in 2017, we had about 2 weeks in between closings. I know that's nothing compared to 3 years, but the mere idea of staying with my inlaws even for just that short period of time was a hard no.
 

HouCuseChickie

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July 27th continued...

The tired and cranky bug was still alive and well in me, but we needed to go out and explore. So, we made the easy walk from the hotel into Zion.

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While Zion has an official lodge, being this close gave us a lot of that staying inside the park feeling, while still having things like wifi, cell service, and tv. Now, as we approached the park, the thing that really stood out to me was all of the visitors in more serious looking gear. And I get it...some of these hikes are bucket list items for some people and really stunning places. I just felt a little bit too...well, formal? Oh well, we walked over to the park entry area to show our card and go in...

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While I was showing my card, the ranger had to yell at some family trying to sneak in. I am guessing this happens all day long, because she was MAD! The entry is roped off, but they were trying to move the ropes to squeeze in.

Oh well, we went in...the kids got their stamps, I got my ornament, and we looked around a bit.

We had talked about getting on a shuttle into the park, but now the fear was being stranded. The line for the shuttle into the park wasn't awful, but we could see the line for the first shuttle back into Springdale and it was LONG...like waiting for at least 4-5 shuttles long. We overheard several people who just got back to the visitor center and overheard several saying it took 2+ hours in line to get a shuttle back to the visitor center. So, whatever small hopes I had of getting to see a bit more of the park were dashed. Our plans for the next day were also too ambitious and required us to go a bit too far to try to get into the shuttle serviced area the next morning. Sooooo, this was pretty much it. We decided to head back to our hotel to check things out.

It had a nice pool area that the kids intended to use later...

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And if we were staying longer, this area down by the Virgin River was nice.

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(Vid was taken from the park part, but it's literally just a short walk to where we were for the hotel)

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HouCuseChickie

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The tired and cranky vibe was starting to hit everyone, so we just decided to go to the adjacent brew pub for dinner. There was a bit of a wait, as it's pretty much the only place that was open right near the exit to the park. It also had this whole outdoor area (with misters) that was off limits for minors. Oh well, we were eventually seated and ordered some food.

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Everything was just OK. I think I was also getting really tired of eating on the road. Even the more exciting options started to seem old.

On our way back to the hotel, we stopped in the little grocery store also connected to this shopping area and got some drinks for the night. I got some kind of blueberry IPA. The kids went down to the pool, while we kicked back and watched the sun set. The deer had also moved around a bit. The kids said some other kids were actually petting it and trying to feed it...and ultimately spooked it a bit. yea...still a wild animal.

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I had only planned one laundry day during this trip, but we were already running out of stuff again. Thankfully, this hotel had a laundry facility for each building and it was right next to this glorious deck for our building. So, all was good. No need in the summer, but the deck also had a number of heat and fire features for the winter months.

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As things got dark, others joined us on the different levels of the deck. In front of us was a trio of families that came together in Zion.

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Some were getting up early to hike The Narrows and left the deck early, but others stuck around. Sometimes our conversation overlapped, but I really didn't want to be nosey or encroach on their family time. As it grew darker, I also realized that I had a photography opportunity. We weren't in the most ideal setting for this and I didn't want to wander too far off in the dark, but I realized that I could see the Milky Way. I've never tried taking pics of it before, but it was a goal for the trip...so no time like the present.

1. Without my tripod, I was faced with the challenge of finding spots where I could keep my camera still and still get the shot. So, nothing is as crisp as I would have liked.
2. I took a number of pictures, but wound up deleting more than I should because I accidentally had the review screen zoomed in...which made some look blurry that were actually just fine.
3. I didn't notice it until after the fact (actually it was my dad who first saw it on my phone picture of the review screen), but I captured a few meteorites. We were a couple of weeks off from peak, but we were approaching the annual Perseid meteor shower.

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Not amazing, but not awful either...especially for my first try.

After this, it was up to bed. We had a long day ahead of us...both with driving and seeing things. For whatever reason, it was also the part of the drive that gave me the most pre-trip anxiety. Not sure if you could hear the stone caught in my tire tread on the drive through the tunnel into Zion, but getting a flat out in the middle of nowhere on this trip was a real nail biter fear for me. After my flat with this vehicle back in May...it weighed a lot on my mind. I have satellite assistance on my vehicle and had purchased a hydraulic jack, but with the configuration of the AWD, I was stuck with a donut for a spare. I also don't know the odds of getting a proper replacement tire outside of a more heavily populated area. As it was, I had to wait a day or two on the replacement I got.

Before bed, we also had a discussion about what all we were going to try and see, because again...there are just so many beautiful options in this part of the country. The biggest thing to get cut was the north rim of the Grand Canyon. While it doesn't get the crowds like the south rim and many say it offers better views, it would add just enough time to our drive to put us in a bit later than we'd like.
 

HouCuseChickie

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July 28th-

We got up, packed up the car, and then headed over to the little grocery store next door.

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I wasn't sure what our eating options would be and didn't want to devote a lot of time to restaurants, so we grabbed breakfast food, snacks and lunch for the day. The big shock was that navigation was routing us back the way we came. I thought there had to be some mistake, because all of my test navigation runs had us leaving via the other end of Springdale and passing by some neat looking areas on the outskirts of Zion. I had really been hoping for that change of scenery on the way out, but it was now adding 2 hours to the drive. So, we had to go out the way we came in. Well, first a few shots from the hotel...and then us leaving.

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This also meant going through the tunnel again. This time, we were the last vehicle to enter the tunnel in our group. I guess this is the Zion tunnel version of the red line pass at WDW...I had to drive through with my hazards on and stop at the other end of the tunnel to inform the rangers that I was last in line.

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And we're out!

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Just to go back into another...

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HouCuseChickie

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And out again.

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At least we saw more sheep on our way out.

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Now just making our way to the exit...

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Once out of the Zion area, we headed towards Arizona. Next stop Horseshoe Bend!


Coming up...Horseshoe Bend/Glen Canyon National Recreation area, Monument Valley, Mexican Hat, Shiprock, I can see CO, and Farmington, NM.
 

Songbird76

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I can see that. While not the same situation, I've had friends move in with parents or inlaws while they were between closings or having a new home built. Their sanity was in shambles after a short while. When we moved, back in 2017, we had about 2 weeks in between closings. I know that's nothing compared to 3 years, but the mere idea of staying with my inlaws even for just that short period of time was a hard no.
No, I wouldn't do it again if I could help it. It wasn't so bad for my husband. He wasn't the one being treated like a child, or at least not as much as I was. He already spoke the language, so he had no homework to do under their supervision, and he wasn't sitting at meals without being able to participate in the conversation. I find it ironic now that my MIL insists we have to speak Dutch because my FIL doesn't speak English and he'll be left out of the conversation if we are speaking English.....oh, you mean like you did to me for the first year that I lived with you?? Don't like it so much when YOU'RE the one left out, do you? And of course, they are HIS parents....he grew up there and they loved him and made some allowences for him that they didn't make for me and gave him the respect in allowing him to make decisions for himself where they wouldn't let me. They seemed to think they got more of a say in our lives than I had myself....like they would talk to him about what to look for in a house for US, but tried to keep me out of the discussion about MY living situation where they would not be involved. My husband wasn't the one being told what he could and couldn't spend his money on, what he should or shouldn't wear, etc, so he didn't really understand what I was talking about.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Wow Zion looks fantastic! I like that hotel you stayed in, the view was gorgeous!

It was beautiful. I really regret not devoting more time to this park, but I'm hoping we can tack it on to a Vegas trip sometime in the future. It's about 2 hours closer than the south rim of the Grand Canyon, so it seems possible. The hotel had great views too, although, I suspect much of Springdale does. This drone footage (not mine) from the town leads me to believe that there are great views all around.

 

HouCuseChickie

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No, I wouldn't do it again if I could help it. It wasn't so bad for my husband. He wasn't the one being treated like a child, or at least not as much as I was. He already spoke the language, so he had no homework to do under their supervision, and he wasn't sitting at meals without being able to participate in the conversation. I find it ironic now that my MIL insists we have to speak Dutch because my FIL doesn't speak English and he'll be left out of the conversation if we are speaking English.....oh, you mean like you did to me for the first year that I lived with you?? Don't like it so much when YOU'RE the one left out, do you? And of course, they are HIS parents....he grew up there and they loved him and made some allowences for him that they didn't make for me and gave him the respect in allowing him to make decisions for himself where they wouldn't let me. They seemed to think they got more of a say in our lives than I had myself....like they would talk to him about what to look for in a house for US, but tried to keep me out of the discussion about MY living situation where they would not be involved. My husband wasn't the one being told what he could and couldn't spend his money on, what he should or shouldn't wear, etc, so he didn't really understand what I was talking about.

That's crazy...so your FIL can't be left out of conversations, but it's OK to keep you in the dark. The whole meddling and trying to have more input and influence on big decisions (like a home) also seems to be something just in some parents' nature. While it's gotten better over the years, there were times- early on, where I don't think my brother could do anything without his inlaws trying to override his choices and be the deciding factor in big things. I guess at least things are better now, but not exactly happy memories either.
 

Songbird76

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It was beautiful. I really regret not devoting more time to this park, but I'm hoping we can tack it on to a Vegas trip sometime in the future. It's about 2 hours closer than the south rim of the Grand Canyon, so it seems possible. The hotel had great views too, although, I suspect much of Springdale does. This drone footage (not mine) from the town leads me to believe that there are great views all around.


I don't know why the name "Springdale" sounds so creepy to me....like it's made up to make people think it's idyllic, but in reality it's a dystopian society or something. I know it's not hiding some nefarious agenda, it just sounds like a name someone would make up to lure unsuspecting tourists to their deaths.

Sedona area is beautiful, too. I never got to see the grand canyon. I went on a spring break trip with my boyfriend and a friend of ours, and my boyfriend had already been to grand canyon and wasn't particularly moved to go again so I could see it. We went through the Sedona area, which was gorgeous. I'd love to see the cave dwellings in Arizona.
 

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July 28th Continued...

The drive to our first destination of the day was not supposed to be all that long. On our way back to the main road, I also noticed this sign that we'd passed on the way in. I thought it was cool...but didn't notice the pie part until after the fact.

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The drive itself was pretty, and there was the typical changing of the rocks around us as we got farther from Zion and closer to our destination. There also wasn't as much middle of nowhere on this part of the drive. We were headed towards the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area and Lake Powell...so lots of recreational things in the mix.

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We stopped at this one gas station as we were getting into this area and you could kind of see some of the neat scenery off in the distance. There was also a brand new neighborhood right next to the gas station. I guess people building vacation homes with a view.

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Not the best pics, since we were driving, but David was trying to get what it looked like driving through this area...including the bridge (and I think there's a dam in there as well).

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HouCuseChickie

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Our stop in this area was Horseshoe bend. I have to be honest...it's a place I've wanted to see, but it wasn't until we were maybe 3-4 weeks out did I realize that it was on the way and would be a shame not to stop. I know some people opt for Gooseneck State Park over Horseshoe bend because the crowds aren't as bad, but I decided to go with Horseshoe. My parents had done a float trip through it, so I thought they might enjoy the perspective from above.

We were past the sunrise crowds, so things weren't looking too bad upon arrival. I think there were only two cars, at most, in front of us. Oh yeah...not part of NPS, so we had to pay to get in. Once parked, it was just making the relatively quick hike down to the overlook. I also think it's amazing how you'd really never know this was there based on the surroundings.

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Things were obviously more crowded at the overlook, but still very manageable. Ultimately, the view was spectacular...




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I still can't get over the number of people climbing up to scary spots for better selfies and social media moments. I guess at least nobody fell while we were there. I'm glad we stopped to see it, but there's just not a ton in this specific spot beyond the view. We hiked back to the car...

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Oh, and for what it's worth, this area is supposedly about 8 or 9 miles from the official start of the Grand Canyon...or something like that. So, we really were close.


Coming up....We head to Monument Valley.
 
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HouCuseChickie

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I don't know why the name "Springdale" sounds so creepy to me....like it's made up to make people think it's idyllic, but in reality it's a dystopian society or something. I know it's not hiding some nefarious agenda, it just sounds like a name someone would make up to lure unsuspecting tourists to their deaths.

Sedona area is beautiful, too. I never got to see the grand canyon. I went on a spring break trip with my boyfriend and a friend of ours, and my boyfriend had already been to grand canyon and wasn't particularly moved to go again so I could see it. We went through the Sedona area, which was gorgeous. I'd love to see the cave dwellings in Arizona.

That's funny. The name didn't strike me like that at all, but I can see it. There was a town we spent a night in while in northwestern CO that made me feel that way.

I've heard Sedona is very pretty. It was one of our backup plans if we got snowed out of the Grand Canyon in 2018. I've heard there are a number of nice resorts there. Maybe at some point.
 

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Great pictures of the bison! We always saw a ton of them in Yellowstone, and those were the least impressive to us because we lived literally within site of the Durham ranch so I could look out my bedroom window and see a whole herd of them. Any time we drove into Gillette, we had to drive right past them. It wasn't an unusual sight for us. We didn't understand when we were little why people would sometimes be stopped on the side of the road taking pictures of them, or of Pronghorns. We saw them all the time. Pronghorns hung out in town all the time...they would graze right under my window. There were some deer who liked the shade under our friends' trampoline in the back yard. Wildlife in Wyoming is just part of the landscape, so that wasn't necessarily the most exciting thing to us about Yellowstone unless it was something less common like moose, bear, coyote, etc. We occassionally saw Elk nearby, especially if we were driving to Newcastle or Upton, and we'd see Bighorn sheep and mountain goats in the Black Hills. But they were more exciting than Bison or Pronghorn. But for the average Yellowstone visitor, ANY wildlife is really a huge draw.
Late but in the 1970s we visited South Dakota. At Custer State Park we took some side road or other to see where it went. It either dead ended or there was a no unauthorized vehicle sign after a bit so we turned around and turned a corner....and there was a herd of buffalo surrounding us.

We had to drive with the herd, which ignored us but kept jostling the car. Took us about 45 minutes to go under a mile which is when they finally all moved past us.

ETA Sedona is very pretty (it would be prettier still if they stopped all the building) and worth a visit. Plus there's so much you can visit from there: Flagstaff, Tuzigoot, Walnut Canyon, Meteor Crater, Montezuma's Castle, Jerome and Prescott.
 
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I still can't get over the number of people climbing up to scary spots for better selfies and social media moments. I guess at least nobody fell while we were there. I'm glad we stopped to see it, but there's just not a ton in this specific spot beyond the view. We hiked back to the car...

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Oh, and for what it's worth, this area is supposedly about 8 or 9 miles from the official start of the Grand Canyon...or something like that. So, we really were close.


Coming up....We head to Monument Valley.
I love horseshoe! We went there on our big spring break trip. We had friends who lived in Page Arizona, so we stayed with them and they took us there. We were amazed, being from Wyoming where it was still snowing, that we didn't even need jackets there in March! I don't remember anyone else being there besides us....really not busy at all!
 

Songbird76

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Late but in the 1970s we visited South Dakota. At Custer State Park we took some side road or other to see where it went. It either dead ended or there was a no unauthorized vehicle sign after a bit so we turned around and turned a corner....and there was a herd of buffalo surrounding us.

We had to drive with the herd, which ignored us but kept jostling the car. Took us about 45 minutes to go under a mile which is when they finally all moved past us.

ETA Sedona is very pretty (it would be prettier still if they stopped all the building) and worth a visit. Plus there's so much you can visit from there: Flagstaff, Tuzigoot, Walnut Canyon, Meteor Crater, Montezuma's Castle, Jerome and Prescott.
My mom cleaned houses for a living and one of the houses she cleaned was for an elderly lady who owned a Bison ranch. It was quite a ways out of town and every week mom had to drive on those unpaved roads out to the ranch to clean. It was not passable sometimes in the winter, but she had that problem with the Bison crowding the car sometimes too. They mostly just ignore you, but that means they also really don't care if they are standing in the road and you can't get past. But at least they didn't charge your car! If they get aggravated, they can be pretty brutal.

We stayed in Prescott, but didn't really see any of the sites. We were visiting a friend at Embry Riddle. I really want to see Montezuma's Castle someday, along with the Grand Canyon. Maybe someday I'll do a tour of the Southwestern states....I want to see Sequoia, maybe Yosemite, definitely Grand Canyon, Montezuma's Castle, etc, and I do want to go to Disneyland.
 

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